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I ordered 3 today from Dave. I'm with you.... They'll look good on my cars and I'm glad to have brand new better quality filters.

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are they in stock and ready to ship?

i know someone that would buy, but doesnt want to be on a wait list for if or when they will come in stock

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In response to some of the concerns that people have raised about these new repro elements I thought I would share what the manufacturer has released to us about the way the went about manufacturing them.

"The outer screen reinforcement (the one with the holes), we elected to use Stainless steel. This would not allow it to rust in the future, like the original carbon steel reinforcement would over time. The major reason we chose stainless, is because these vehicles (generally) do more sitting than actually being driven. This has become the nature of our sport. We then galvanized the stainless to give it the original appearance of the carbon steel original. The stainless screen does not exhibit the punch out marks that carbon steel does show, because both materials punch differently. Stainless Steel tends to be more brittle and the punch snaps through. While carbon steel pushes and tears before separating. That is the reason for the lack of slight cheese grader effect on the exterior."

"The original holes in the outer reinforcement were .280". During Testing, we found that if the holes were increased .030" (to approx. .310") air flow was increased greatly even when filter was partially obstructed with debris or moisture."

I will have these in stock as of Wednesday and we will be shipping all back orders on Thursday.

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Dante,

I know you are just passing along what your supplier told you, but because of your good reputation and my own personal positive experiences with you, I would strongly urge you not repeat what they told you. I am a journeyman sheet metal worker, and own a sheet metal fabrication company that is 32 years old and I can tell you that the punch explanation is a load of BS and the coating comment isn't any better.


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It is unfortunate that the new filters have "improvements" that customers did not ask for.

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Yep. It's funny that the reasons are because they sit so much so they did this....But then it made a better performing filter if we did this.... I would bet ALL wouldn't know the difference when they drove their car but 100% will know when they open the hood. I am betting it got lost in translation from English to Chinese on how this was supposed to be....

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I'm going to get at least one for now knowing how picky (re: [Email]an@l[/Email] we Mopar owners are) this crowd is I'm sure the next run will have improvements. Maybe the next batch won't have any changes or maybe the changes are too small to really notice but to me, right now I have three choices where before I only had two before these reproductions came along:

Choice 1 (which very few even have at this point) Use an NOS air filter that I got with the A12 on the GTX that I want to add the Air Grabber, (Not going to happen).

Choice 2 (the boat that most of us are in at the moment) Pay out the wazoo ($400+) for an NNS last run Fram OEM filter and only use it when you go somewhere that you lift or open the hood.

Choice 3 Buy one of these for a buck-fifty and avoid choices 1 and 2, and wait for the competition to improve on this one while DRIVING MY CAR!!!!

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Mike,what makes you think there will be a second run ?

And,I drive my car with an out of the box Mopar N.O.S.original,if all it does is sit in the garage I don't even need a filter.

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I will order a few when I have the cash, but I drive mine and I am not a purist...or prude about silly crap. Tim

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I drive my cars too but I don't have a stash of NOS filters like Bill O...I mean like some that drive with NOS filters.

That's why these latest filters are good enough for me regardless of some holes that aren't just perfect and if there's not going to be another run then all the more reason to buy one of these reproduction air filters, they'll just end up as a good investment. The last run of Fram filters were about $80 and now go look again at the ebag ads they're going for $300-$400+.

I'll get two now that I think about it, and if this is only one run worth, one of you can buy my spare for hmmmmmmmmmm what should I sell it for in a couple of years....seems better than the stock market at this point

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I'll get two now that I think about it, and if this is only one run worth, one of you can buy my spare for hmmmmmmmmmm what should I sell it for in a couple of years....seems better than the stock market at this point

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"The original holes in the outer reinforcement were .280". During Testing, we found that if the holes were increased .030" (to approx. .310") air flow was increased greatly even when filter was partially obstructed with debris or moisture."

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"The original holes in the outer reinforcement were .280". During Testing, we found that if the holes were increased .030" (to approx. .310") air flow was increased greatly even when filter was partially obstructed with debris or moisture."

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I'm sorry, but this is complete bs! They made the holes "approx. . 310" because that is a common size die (5/16" which is actually .312) They took the easy and cheaper way out.

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I getting more and more confused with what is the issue here Someone offers a product that to some can't be found for a reasonable price, some want it to be absolutely perfect that you can't tell it from an original and would or should cost as much as an original or the ebay Fram re-runs price ($400+). If you don't like it move on and go buy one off ebay or I'll sell you my NOS air filter with the bid starting at $1,000.