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Re: Fram CA 332 V (Just bought one.)
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WISEguy ......  
So WHAT are the cost #'s ?
i last heard, according to fram, a 1000 piece order minimum for retooling, (i believe the original stuff from the CA332V were destroyed, or something of the such. either way, new tooling is required.) @ $50 a piece. so, a $50,000 dollar nut to crack to get them made. quite an investment. but, you would think if several parts houses/companies went in on it together, and agreed on maybe a minimum price, you might be able to pull it off......
I didnt realize it was that complicated, but makes sense now.
Did they discontinue repops?
There is no RETOOLING cost, Fram has had the tooling and the tooling has been paid for. The last production run by Fram was only five or six years ago for the last batch IIRC. That's just a basic fee for setting things up and scheduling the production...don't know why it would be a fee so much higher than starting from scratch??????
What's going to happen is the repo's are coming and no one will ever buy a Fram manufacture air filter and I wouldn't blame anyone for doing that seeing how Fram is ignoring the demand at the moment. Someone at Fram marketing should realize how things like this make and break a manufacturer's reputation and product image.
I avoid buying anything made by FRAM even more than ever because of this.......and the fact that their oil filters suck  
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Re: Fram CA 332 V (Just bought one.)
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I'll have a couple repops at the Indy swap if anybody is looking  .
You say "repops", as in "NEW REPOPS"? or the last FRAM production run/repop units?.....
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Re: Fram CA 332 V (Just bought one.)
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Re: Fram CA 332 V (Just bought one.)
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Forgive my ignorance. But if reproductions have been made once already, why would anyone have to "tool up" to make another run?? 
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There is no RETOOLING cost, Fram has had the tooling and the tooling has been paid for. The last production run by Fram was only five or six years ago for the last batch IIRC.
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Re: Fram CA 332 V (Just bought one.)
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Forgive my ignorance. But if reproductions have been made once already, why would anyone have to "tool up" to make another run??
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There is no RETOOLING cost, Fram has had the tooling and the tooling has been paid for. The last production run by Fram was only five or six years ago for the last batch IIRC.
I'm employed in mass production (as a Millwright) you'd be surprised how quick Management is in making stupid decisions on sh1t-canning production tooling worth tens to hundreds of thousand of dollars for scrap $$$ when an item line is discontinued by a vendor/manufacturer,...only to have to re-invest in re-tooling at a later date 
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Re: Fram CA 332 V (Just bought one.)
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Forgive my ignorance. But if reproductions have been made once already, why would anyone have to "tool up" to make another run??
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There is no RETOOLING cost, Fram has had the tooling and the tooling has been paid for. The last production run by Fram was only five or six years ago for the last batch IIRC.
My point was not the cost of making tooling, but you still have to set the assembly line to manufacture. And that quite likely means removing another product from assembly while making this one.
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Re: Fram CA 332 V (Just bought one.)
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My point was not the cost of making tooling, but you still have to set the assembly line to manufacture. And that quite likely means removing another product from assembly while making this one.
I am sure that they have many different "lines" .... some that do 5-10,000 units per day .... this one here would probably do this-typea-run in a couple of days
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Re: Fram CA 332 V (Just bought one.)
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Forgive my ignorance. But if reproductions have been made once already, why would anyone have to "tool up" to make another run??
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There is no RETOOLING cost, Fram has had the tooling and the tooling has been paid for. The last production run by Fram was only five or six years ago for the last batch IIRC.
My point was not the cost of making tooling, but you still have to set the assembly line to manufacture. And that quite likely means removing another product from assembly while making this one.
Understand but one of the Pacific Rim manufactures will have one here shortly and there will be no need for Fram to do anything anyway. Just like the chrome valve cover breathers for the '68 and '69 models that are now available there's no reason to look for a good original or to get an old worn original re-chromed....80+K '69 road runners and then there's the GTX, R/T, Super Bee, etc, that used that filter (I know it was a small number that had the air grabber/ramcharger but there are also people that want to add that system, like me).....someone is going to make a buck or two and it won't be Fram.
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Re: Fram CA 332 V (Just bought one.)
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Understand but one of the Pacific Rim manufactures will have one here shortly and there will be no need for Fram to do anything anyway. Just like the chrome valve cover breathers for the '68 and '69 models that are now available there's no reason to look for a good original or to get an old worn original re-chromed....80+K '69 road runners and then there's the GTX, R/T, Super Bee, etc, that used that filter (I know it was a small number that had the air grabber/ramcharger but there are also people that want to add that system, like me).....someone is going to make a buck or two and it won't be Fram.
Don't forget EVERY six pack car which makes the market alot bigger. As far as the breathers go put one next to a original one and they are easy to spot. I bought one for my perfect 68 chrome valve covers and it sticks out like a sore thumb due to the fact that it's chrome is thin and tinny looking. I bought a nice factory one after seeing how bad it looked against the original factory chrome valve covers. So just cause something is made doesn't necessarily mean it will be the same quality but then again there are alot of people who are happy with Chinese muscle cars.... 
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Re: Fram CA 332 V (Just bought one.)
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Understand but one of the Pacific Rim manufactures will have one here shortly and there will be no need for Fram to do anything anyway. Just like the chrome valve cover breathers for the '68 and '69 models that are now available there's no reason to look for a good original or to get an old worn original re-chromed....80+K '69 road runners and then there's the GTX, R/T, Super Bee, etc, that used that filter (I know it was a small number that had the air grabber/ramcharger but there are also people that want to add that system, like me).....someone is going to make a buck or two and it won't be Fram.
Don't forget EVERY six pack car which makes the market alot bigger. As far as the breathers go put one next to a original one and they are easy to spot. I bought one for my perfect 68 chrome valve covers and it sticks out like a sore thumb due to the fact that it's chrome is thin and tinny looking. I bought a nice factory one after seeing how bad it looked against the original factory chrome valve covers. So just cause something is made doesn't necessarily mean it will be the same quality but then again there are alot of people who are happy with Chinese muscle cars....
Yes, isn't that the truth on the happy with low quality, and take a closer look at the "OIL" on breather versus the hose connection....but then when it's the only thing easily available
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Re: Fram CA 332 V (Just bought one.)
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I have been following this posting from the beginning, as i had one of these Fram CA332V air filter elements, that i sold on eBay, awhile back. What i am curious about is other people that have posted to this thread that a China reopop air filter is due to be produced, and Fram won't even listen, unless 1000 of them are pre ordered, or something like that. What i wan't to know is, how do you know this? Do you work for Fram? What kind of "connections" do you have with Fram anyway? Do you actually know a big shot decision maker within the Fram corporation? Then where is all this heresay about a China reproduction one coming from? Nothing but rumors, that nobody can actually put any truth too. Just my on the subject.
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Re: Fram CA 332 V (Just bought one.)
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I have been following this posting from the beginning, as i had one of these Fram CA332V air filter elements, that i sold on eBay, awhile back.
What i am curious about is other people that have posted to this thread that a China reopop air filter is due to be produced, and Fram won't even listen, unless 1000 of them are pre ordered, or something like that.
What i wan't to know is, how do you know this?
Do you work for Fram?
What kind of "connections" do you have with Fram anyway?
Do you actually know a big shot decision maker within the Fram corporation?
Then where is all this heresay about a China reproduction one coming from?
Nothing but rumors, that nobody can actually put any truth too.
Just my on the subject.
Tony said: (Tony did the valve cover breathers too)
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Re: Fram CA 332 V [Re: lewtot184]
#7161419 - Wed Apr 11 2012 10:54 PM
there is a repo on the way from what im told in the next month or 2 will be available
dont know pricing yet
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(That was almost a year ago....a little more than 2-months eh? )
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Re: Fram CA 332 V (Just bought one.)
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I have been following this posting from the beginning, as i had one of these Fram CA332V air filter elements, that i sold on eBay, awhile back.
What i am curious about is other people that have posted to this thread that a China reopop air filter is due to be produced, and Fram won't even listen, unless 1000 of them are pre ordered, or something like that.
What i wan't to know is, how do you know this?
Do you work for Fram?
What kind of "connections" do you have with Fram anyway?
Do you actually know a big shot decision maker within the Fram corporation?
Then where is all this heresay about a China reproduction one coming from?
Nothing but rumors, that nobody can actually put any truth too.
Just my on the subject.
Tony said: (Tony did the valve cover breathers too)
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Re: Fram CA 332 V [Re: lewtot184]
#7161419 - Wed Apr 11 2012 10:54 PM
there is a repo on the way from what im told in the next month or 2 will be available
dont know pricing yet
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(That was almost a year ago....a little more than 2-months eh? )
mabe they want to do it like gasoline, run the price past insanity, then tell us how lucky we are its coming down... a full 10 or 20 % ! from the NEW all time hi. hope k-n keeps making one. 
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Re: Fram CA 332 V (Just bought one.)
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I have been following this posting from the beginning, as i had one of these Fram CA332V air filter elements, that i sold on eBay, awhile back.
What i am curious about is other people that have posted to this thread that a China reopop air filter is due to be produced, and Fram won't even listen, unless 1000 of them are pre ordered, or something like that.
What i wan't to know is, how do you know this?
Do you work for Fram?
What kind of "connections" do you have with Fram anyway?
Do you actually know a big shot decision maker within the Fram corporation?
Then where is all this heresay about a China reproduction one coming from?
Nothing but rumors, that nobody can actually put any truth too.
Just my on the subject.
there are several threads in this forum covering this topic. i have heard/read from several different sources, that they talked to fram directly about this filter, and 1000 was the minimum, @ $50 piece. whether they did? well, i can't promise you that. but i can promise multiple people had the same story about talking with fram according to my memory. (i have not searched for the other threads to quote for you, sorry. but, you may search, and may find some more info as well)
i do not know or have any facts about the repops, other than one was supposed to be here, but alas, still waiting. hope this helps a little....
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I have 3 of the chicken mesh ones in orange and 2 in black they are even getting good $$ for those... 
