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Re: Fram CA 332 V (Just bought one.)
[Re: mrrandyj]
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03/20/13 09:58 AM
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"The original holes in the outer reinforcement were .280". During Testing, we found that if the holes were increased .030" (to approx. .310") air flow was increased greatly even when filter was partially obstructed with debris or moisture."
I'm sorry, but this is complete bs! They made the holes "approx. . 310" because that is a common size die (5/16" which is actually .312) They took the easy and cheaper way out.
Oh and I'm sure that common size "inch" dies are not that common where these filters are probably being produced 
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Re: Fram CA 332 V (Just bought one.)
[Re: Mopar_Mudder]
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03/20/13 10:56 AM
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I have no problem really with the filter being not 100% correct. But to me it seems like a steep price for a piece that is not correct. I have a brand new K&N that I have not used yet, I was expecting this new filter to be more in line with the price of the K&N, but it is double. If not for the high price I would get one, but I will stick with the K&N for now. Just seems because it is for a Mopar and shaped like an oval the price got jacked up on it.
The chrome '68/'69 valve cover breathers were/are expensive and the first ones were not perfect or exactly correct either but what was available then or now that's better other than replating an original if you could even get a plater to contaminate their tanks with a used dirty one?
Just me but I can't see using a K&N in a stock looking engine compartment on an air grabber. Maybe with some other engine dress-up (valve covers, etc.) but in a stock engine compartment it just looks better with an O.E. "looking" filter IMO.
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Re: Fram CA 332 V (Just bought one.)
[Re: A12]
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03/20/13 10:57 AM
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"The original holes in the outer reinforcement were .280". During Testing, we found that if the holes were increased .030" (to approx. .310") air flow was increased greatly even when filter was partially obstructed with debris or moisture."
I'm sorry, but this is complete bs! They made the holes "approx. . 310" because that is a common size die (5/16" which is actually .312) They took the easy and cheaper way out.
I getting more and more confused with what is the issue here  Someone offers a product that to some can't be found for a reasonable price, some want it to be absolutely perfect that you can't tell it from an original and would or should cost as much as an original or the ebay Fram re-runs price ($400+). If you don't like it move on and go buy one off ebay or I'll sell you my NOS air filter with the bid starting at $1,000. 
Come on Mike,be reasonable,I didn't pay more than $25 each for my originals back in the 70's !. 
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Re: Fram CA 332 V (Just bought one.)
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03/20/13 11:04 AM
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Stock with K&N
You can't see it going down the road at 50mph.
If you must have one pony up the $$ and put it on at the show.
I'm glad I bought the ones I have when I did , the NOS one will look great on my 383 car at the show with the hood up...
on wait , I don't do car shows ...
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Re: Fram CA 332 V (Just bought one.)
[Re: JohnRR]
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03/20/13 11:06 AM
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Stock with K&N
You can't see it going down the road at 50mph.
If you must have one pony up the $$ and put it on at the show.
I'm glad I bought the ones I have when I did , the NOS one will look great on my 383 car at the show with the hood up...
on wait , I don't do car shows ...
I'm betting you bought one of those repo chrome valve cover breathers 
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Re: Fram CA 332 V (Just bought one.)
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03/20/13 11:09 AM
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Stock with K&N
You can't see it going down the road at 50mph.
If you must have one pony up the $$ and put it on at the show.
I'm glad I bought the ones I have when I did , the NOS one will look great on my 383 car at the show with the hood up...
on wait , I don't do car shows ...
I'm betting you bought one of those repo chrome valve cover breathers
no I didn't , the one on my Dart is in good enough shape for me , my other car has a black one , it's original. I hope it's not supposed to have Chrome ...
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Re: Fram CA 332 V (Just bought one.)
[Re: JohnRR]
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03/20/13 11:12 AM
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Stock with K&N
You can't see it going down the road at 50mph.
If you must have one pony up the $$ and put it on at the show.
I'm glad I bought the ones I have when I did , the NOS one will look great on my 383 car at the show with the hood up...
on wait , I don't do car shows ...
I'm betting you bought one of those repo chrome valve cover breathers
no I didn't , the one on my Dart is in good enough shape for me , my other car has a black one , it's original. I hope it's not supposed to have Chrome ...
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Re: Fram CA 332 V (Just bought one.)
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03/20/13 02:01 PM
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I have no problem really with the filter being not 100% correct. But to me it seems like a steep price for a piece that is not correct. I have a brand new K&N that I have not used yet, I was expecting this new filter to be more in line with the price of the K&N, but it is double. If not for the high price I would get one, but I will stick with the K&N for now. Just seems because it is for a Mopar and shaped like an oval the price got jacked up on it.
The chrome '68/'69 valve cover breathers were/are expensive and the first ones were not perfect or exactly correct either but what was available then or now that's better other than replating an original if you could even get a plater to contaminate their tanks with a used dirty one?
Just me but I can't see using a K&N in a stock looking engine compartment on an air grabber. Maybe with some other engine dress-up (valve covers, etc.) but in a stock engine compartment it just looks better with an O.E. "looking" filter IMO.
I should have stated that I have a Hemi Shaker set-up. So the air cleaner is not visable to look at. If it was exposed I would not run the K&N I don't think.
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Re: Fram CA 332 V (Just bought one.)
[Re: mrrandyj]
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03/20/13 02:22 PM
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"The original holes in the outer reinforcement were .280". During Testing, we found that if the holes were increased .030" (to approx. .310") air flow was increased greatly even when filter was partially obstructed with debris or moisture."
I'm sorry, but this is complete bs! They made the holes "approx. . 310" because that is a common size die (5/16" which is actually .312) They took the easy and cheaper way out.
I wonder if that holed sheet is a common pattern and size off the shelf?
Shame they went to the expense of making the upper and lower seal molds and skipped the effort into the screen.
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Re: Fram CA 332 V (Just bought one.)
[Re: autoxcuda]
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03/20/13 06:56 PM
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A very important question, if you are going to use this repro filter for operating your car, is what is the filter element made of?
Just because it is white paper material that LOOKS like an air filter, doesn't mean it actually works well.
If it's Chinese made, I don't know that I'd trust it without solid test data.
Bob
AAR 4-speed 3.91, Tor-Red;
70 440 6 pack Roadrunner 4-speed 3.54, Plum Crazy;
68 Formula S conv 383 4-speed 3.23, Electric Blue;
69 Barracuda conv Slant 6 OD4 2.94, 71 B5 Blue;
78 Lil' Red Truck, Red;
70 Challenger S/E. 505 6 pack, Passon 5-speed, 3.55, B7 Blue
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Re: Fram CA 332 V (Just bought one.)
[Re: rftroy]
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03/20/13 07:09 PM
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If it's Chinese made, I don't know that I'd trust it without solid test data.
Bob
Do you buy current FRAM filters ???
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Re: Fram CA 332 V (Just bought one.)
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03/20/13 09:51 PM
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"The original holes in the outer reinforcement were .280". During Testing, we found that if the holes were increased .030" (to approx. .310") air flow was increased greatly even when filter was partially obstructed with debris or moisture."
I'm sorry, but this is complete bs! They made the holes "approx. . 310" because that is a common size die (5/16" which is actually .312) They took the easy and cheaper way out.
I getting more and more confused with what is the issue here Someone offers a product that to some can't be found for a reasonable price, some want it to be absolutely perfect that you can't tell it from an original and would or should cost as much as an original or the ebay Fram re-runs price ($400+). If you don't like it move on and go buy one off ebay or I'll sell you my NOS air filter with the bid starting at $1,000.
The issue here is that they are charging more than top dollar for a "reproduction" filter that has some very important detail items totally wrong! Anyone who knows these air filters at all will be able to tell from 15 feet away that it isn't correct. How much more effort would it have taken to get it right? A couple years ago the Fram reproduction filter was available for $75.00 They did a great job making it look like the originals did, and they made it in Canada. I would bet anything that these new reproduction filters are made in some 3rd world country, are of questionable quality (filtering wise). They barely resemble what they are supposed to be reproducing, and are twice the price. Thats the issue!
What if the company making reproduction red line tires made the red stripe noticeably too wide? How about if the reproduction tail stripes for a SuperBee had the bee in the wrong place? Would those errors be acceptable too?
If your going to be charging top dollar for a restoration part, it better be correct, or very close to it!
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Re: Fram CA 332 V (Just bought one.)
[Re: astjp2]
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03/20/13 10:46 PM
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If it's Chinese made, I don't know that I'd trust it without solid test data.
Bob
Do you buy current FRAM filters ???
John, are you saying that Fram is building these?
No, I'm saying that FRAM is outsourcing everything like most everyone else.
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Re: Fram CA 332 V (Just bought one.)
[Re: mrrandyj]
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03/20/13 10:48 PM
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A couple years ago the Fram reproduction filter was available for $75.00
Less than that ...
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.....but that's all that's currently available. How many people see it when you're driving down the road or track?
