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big block bellhousing for overdrive tranny? #1208912
04/03/12 01:39 AM
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Just curious if they ever used the 833over drive behind any type of big block as i have a few of them and a stock 440


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Re: big block bellhousing for overdrive tranny? [Re: toplescuda] #1208913
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Was never a factory combo. You can have the input retainer on your od 833 turned down in a lathe to fit your bellhousing. Does the job and a machine shop wouldn't charge too much to do it.

Re: big block bellhousing for overdrive tranny? [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #1208914
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actually there is a factory big block bell that had the dual bolt pattern and the 5.125 hole. The NP 435 uses the 5.125 hole also. They are extreemly rare and cost big money if you are lucky to find one.. .


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Re: big block bellhousing for overdrive tranny? [Re: 340SHORTY] #1208915
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Here is the one that Shorty spoke of.
#4039670


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Re: big block bellhousing for overdrive tranny? [Re: moparmarks] #1208916
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I just bought this bellhousing #4039670, and was wondering what flywheel to use with it. The same guy has an 11" #2843214, didnt buy it cause I didn't know if it was the right one. Anybody know if it would work?

Re: big block bellhousing for overdrive tranny? [Re: 77ProStreet] #1208917
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The Challenger I just bought has this exact setup (440 with A-833 tranny). Even kept the 11" flywheel by buying a input retainer in the right size. The higher 4th gear gets me about 17mpg on the highway to witch is nice.


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Re: big block bellhousing for overdrive tranny? [Re: Strongbad] #1208918
06/10/12 08:08 PM
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The A 833 and the OD 833 use different front bearing retainers. The 8ss uses a 4.80 diameter retainer and the OD 833 uses a 5.125 diameter retainer.


Id wager the 670 bell uses a 11" flywheel/clutch. My reasoning is the only 4 speed behind a BB in a truck would of been a NP435/445. The research I have done shows that the 670 bell was only available in 77/78.. .


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Re: big block bellhousing for overdrive tranny? [Re: 340SHORTY] #1208919
06/10/12 08:20 PM
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Thanks Larry! I think I will call the guy back and get it, it's only $120. Snagged the Bell for $150, not bad I think.

Re: big block bellhousing for overdrive tranny? [Re: 77ProStreet] #1208920
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Thats a great price. The only 1 I has seen had a $350.00 dollar sticker on it.
Its nowhere near as common as the SB dual pattern bell.


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Re: big block bellhousing for overdrive tranny? [Re: 340SHORTY] #1208921
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Quote:

The research I have done shows that the 670 bell was only available in 77/78.. .




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Re: big block bellhousing for overdrive tranny? [Re: 340SHORTY] #1208922
10/28/14 12:03 PM
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Quote:

The A 833 and the OD 833 use different front bearing retainers. The 8ss uses a 4.80 diameter retainer and the OD 833 uses a 5.125 diameter retainer.





True.

Both transmissions use the same front bearing and bolt pattern. I do not know why the retainer was made larger.
When I stuck the 833 OD behind the TT440 (LONG before I had my lathe) I had a shop turn the bearing retainer down to fit. It was such a quick operation they didn't even charge me for it. I still flipped out a twenty and told him to buy the machinist a beer.


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Re: big block bellhousing for overdrive tranny? [Re: feets] #1208923
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The OD transmission uses the old third gear as the overdrive. They flip the 3-4 shift lever so that direct drive is in the old 3rd gear position and 4th goes then through the cluster gear like the old 3rd gear. In order to get the overdrive ratio, the input gear had to be made larger so subsequently a larger hole was required in the front of the transmission case and a larger bearing and retainer.

Re: big block bellhousing for overdrive tranny? [Re: PC-CHARGER] #1208924
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Overdrive input gear is the smallest of the 23 splines with only 22T. Some iron A/F overdrive trans used the normal 307 front bearing.


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Re: big block bellhousing for overdrive tranny? [Re: toplescuda] #1208925
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You guys do realize I asked this ? April of 2012?lol


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Re: big block bellhousing for overdrive tranny? [Re: PC-CHARGER] #1208926
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Quote:

The OD transmission uses the old third gear as the overdrive. They flip the 3-4 shift lever so that direct drive is in the old 3rd gear position and 4th goes then through the cluster gear like the old 3rd gear. In order to get the overdrive ratio, the input gear had to be made larger so subsequently a larger hole was required in the front of the transmission case and a larger bearing and retainer.




That doesn't quite do it. Good thinking though. The hole was the same size on both cases.

The difference was only in the cover. The OD and non OD transmissions had the same front bearing. That was larger in diameter than any of the gears. After all, it rode in the case and dictated the size of the hole.
Also, note that the bolt patterns were the same. You can remove the OD bearing retainer and replace it with a non-OD retainer. That was the common fix years ago.

I learned all too well about OD being the new third gear. I ended up getting the dreaded death rattle after the side shaft wallowed out the hole in the aluminum case.


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