Re: Springs moved inside frame
[Re: JohnRR]
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03/16/12 01:00 PM
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Exit1965
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You must be connected with the builder to take such offense to the concenus of those that replied ...
Nope, no offense taken. In fact I just got done minitubbing and relocating the springs on my Dart and I did it the tried and true way, into the frame.
But my point is there is more than one way to do things, and there are a lot of assumptions going on about how dangerous and wrong it was to do it how this guy did it.
Yeah, maybe it only ran one 11.50, maybe it will fall off one day, maybe it will rip the frame, etc. but unless those theories have evidence, then why accept those over the theory that it is sufficient, properly welded, tried and true over several seasons, etc. Or the theory that there are other people who have chosen to do it this way (to avoid cutting the frame for whatever reason) who are not having rearends and frames ripping out left and right.
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Re: Springs moved inside frame
[Re: Exit1965]
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03/16/12 01:03 PM
03/16/12 01:03 PM
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I think he just wanted some opinions and that is what he got. I would just fix it the correct way and be done with it but perhaps that will make or break the deal.
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Re: Springs moved inside frame
[Re: Exit1965]
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03/16/12 02:50 PM
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You must be connected with the builder to take such offense to the concenus of those that replied ...
Nope, no offense taken. In fact I just got done minitubbing and relocating the springs on my Dart and I did it the tried and true way, into the frame.
But my point is there is more than one way to do things, and there are a lot of assumptions going on about how dangerous and wrong it was to do it how this guy did it.
Yeah, maybe it only ran one 11.50, maybe it will fall off one day, maybe it will rip the frame, etc. but unless those theories have evidence, then why accept those over the theory that it is sufficient, properly welded, tried and true over several seasons, etc. Or the theory that there are other people who have chosen to do it this way (to avoid cutting the frame for whatever reason) who are not having rearends and frames ripping out left and right.
There are definitely more than one way to do things ... I say to people I work with there are 3 ways to do things , the right way , the wrong way and my ... or if someone else did it THAT ... way , 2 of those ways are usually the same.
The usual, and correct way would have the plate the both spring hangars are bolted to should be supported on both sides at a minimum, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the way in the above picture is an accident waiting to happen once the right amount of traction and torque are applied.
I've seen better supported setups many would think was done properly almost ripped out, that one ..
The op asked for an opinion and he got exactly what he asked for as someone else pointed out.
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Re: Springs moved inside frame
[Re: Exit1965]
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03/16/12 04:40 PM
03/16/12 04:40 PM
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You must be connected with the builder to take such offense to the concenus of those that replied ...
Nope, no offense taken. In fact I just got done minitubbing and relocating the springs on my Dart and I did it the tried and true way, into the frame.
But my point is there is more than one way to do things, and there are a lot of assumptions going on about how dangerous and wrong it was to do it how this guy did it.
Yeah, maybe it only ran one 11.50, maybe it will fall off one day, maybe it will rip the frame, etc. but unless those theories have evidence, then why accept those over the theory that it is sufficient, properly welded, tried and true over several seasons, etc. Or the theory that there are other people who have chosen to do it this way (to avoid cutting the frame for whatever reason) who are not having rearends and frames ripping out left and right.
There is NO support on the front hanger. (refer back to the magic word: triangulation). Actually no support on the rear either. You're right, it COULD be okay as is, but why take the risk. That is a HACK job, plain and simple.
Any other fabrication on the car (frame connectors, roll bar) of this same "quality"??
I would think that anyone with any mechanical aptitude would refuse to drive it; I know I would.
All that said, it's REAL easy to fix...
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Re: Springs moved inside frame
[Re: 67_Satellite]
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03/16/12 04:47 PM
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Extra credit for putting the fuel line right there to. That way when it breaks loose and grinds on the pavement in a shower of sparks, he'll be able to keep a good fire going.
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Re: Springs moved inside frame
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03/16/12 05:54 PM
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Will prob use this as a negotiating place.
Good call..........this should knock the price down for sure. At the end of the day , a lot of people who's opinions I trust don't think this is safe...I agree with them. But it sounds like you have fabbing skills , so it shouldn't be too difficult to make right. Good luck on the buy.
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Re: Springs moved inside frame
[Re: RTSrunner]
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03/17/12 12:55 AM
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I see I'm here by myself again.
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Re: Springs moved inside frame
[Re: polyspheric]
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03/17/12 01:11 PM
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Putting the leaf springs inboard of the frame rails makes the roll center too close. Maybe, just maybe you could install a anti-roll bar set-up like tube chassis cars use to help keep the load even. Actually, they make a nice addition to a leaf spring car anyway, as they even out the torque loading and make the car react quicker.
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