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Hard to push Dakota #1193717 03/08/12 10:53 PM 03/08/12 10:53 PM
Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 813 ar. B bobs69 OP super stock
bobs69 OP super stock B Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 813 ar.	My 88 Dakota is really hard to push in the staging lane. Was told i need new front callipers. Does anyone know if the stock callipers hold a few pounds of pressure on the pads even when your foot is off the peddal. Also running a 8 3/4 with spool with a 904. I jack up the rear and the rear tires are really hard to turn with the rear brakes backed off. Any ideas. Thanks

Re: Hard to push Dakota [Re: bobs69] #1193718 03/08/12 10:56 PM 03/08/12 10:56 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,616 Kissimmee Fl. D dusturbd340W5 master
dusturbd340W5 master D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,616 Kissimmee Fl.	are your brake hoses the original rubber lines if so I have seen them start to come apart on the inside and not let all the pressure off may be something to check 70 duster full chassis super pro 416 CNC Indybrock heads 727 w/brake best so far 1.212 60 6.219 in 1/8 at 110.88 9.768 at 137.81 1/4

Re: Hard to push Dakota [Re: dusturbd340W5] #1193719 03/08/12 10:59 PM 03/08/12 10:59 PM
Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 75 southwest pa B bodyworks racing member
bodyworks racing member B Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 75 southwest pa	When is the last time you did any welding on your truck ? 68 ROADRUNNER 440 HORSE POWER IS HOW FAST YOU HIT THE WALL TORQUE IS HOW FAR YOU TAKE THE WALL WITH YOU

Re: Hard to push Dakota [Re: bodyworks racing] #1193720 03/08/12 11:08 PM 03/08/12 11:08 PM
Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 813 ar. B bobs69 OP super stock
bobs69 OP super stock B Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 813 ar.	As far as i know the brake hoses are the original. I have owned the truck for a short time and don't know about the last time there was any welding done.

Re: Hard to push Dakota [Re: bobs69] #1193721 03/08/12 11:41 PM 03/08/12 11:41 PM
Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 75 southwest pa B bodyworks racing member
bodyworks racing member B Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 75 southwest pa	Did some fab work on my friends dart sport stocker last spring in prep for the race season(new drive shaft loop). we disconected all the electronics , ply back tach msd box ground to battery did not disconect the ground from the engine to the firewall.Welded up the mounts for the loop to the subframe connectors.the car was 2 tenths slower than the first race last year and was very hard to push . we could not figure it out , but talked to another friend , said he welded on his car and the ground some how back fed through the trans and burned from a bearing surface to the rear out put shaft.We were skeptical but pulled the trans and sent it to our trans guy ,bingo. I would try everything else first, very unusual but it happened naturaly i got the blame because i was the welder 68 ROADRUNNER 440 HORSE POWER IS HOW FAST YOU HIT THE WALL TORQUE IS HOW FAR YOU TAKE THE WALL WITH YOU

Re: Hard to push Dakota [Re: bodyworks racing] #1193722 03/08/12 11:48 PM 03/08/12 11:48 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,616 Kissimmee Fl. D dusturbd340W5 master
dusturbd340W5 master D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,616 Kissimmee Fl.	galling the rear output shaft support is a common problem on a 904/727 BUT I highly doubt you caused it welding on the car just bad timing,they where just looking for a fall guy. 70 duster full chassis super pro 416 CNC Indybrock heads 727 w/brake best so far 1.212 60 6.219 in 1/8 at 110.88 9.768 at 137.81 1/4

Re: Hard to push Dakota [Re: bodyworks racing] #1193723 03/09/12 12:35 AM 03/09/12 12:35 AM
Joined: May 2006 Posts: 1,260 New Mexico A Adobedude pro stock
Adobedude pro stock A Joined: May 2006 Posts: 1,260 New Mexico	Oh crap, don't tell me that...I just put an 8 point in my Dakota, the only thing I worried about was the fuel lines... Last edited by Adobedude; 03/09/12 12:36 AM. 2001 Dodge Dakota 408 All Motor 11.27 @ 117.83 mph 2017 NM Mopar Challenge Series Champion.

Re: Hard to push Dakota [Re: bobs69] #1193724 03/09/12 07:01 AM 03/09/12 07:01 AM
Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 20,640 in a cattle trailer down by th... G Guitar Jones Paddle faster! I hear banjo music!
Guitar Jones Paddle faster! I hear banjo music! G Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 20,640 in a cattle trailer down by th...	My Duster with a 904 and an 8.75 with a spool was really hard to push too. The trans was fine and I had aftermarket discs on all four corners. It didn't seem to affect how it ran though, 10.50's with a 340 so I'm not sure why. The Scamp has the same rear and trans in it but it's a little easier to push but I think it's only because it's about 400 pounds lighter. "Follow me the wise man said, but he walked behind" '92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion. '74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. Rear disc and hydroboost conversion. 2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.

Re: Hard to push Dakota [Re: bobs69] #1193725 03/09/12 10:03 AM 03/09/12 10:03 AM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Dis connect the drive shaft to eliminate the engine and trans

Re: Hard to push Dakota [Re: bobs69] #1193726 03/09/12 11:02 AM 03/09/12 11:02 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	Sounds like the rear axle housing is bent.

Re: Hard to push Dakota [Re: Challenger 1] #1193727 03/09/12 12:58 PM 03/09/12 12:58 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston S sixpackgut Drag Week Mod Champion
sixpackgut Drag Week Mod Champion S Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston	i went thru this 2 years ago at 2 different times. one was the rubber brake line from the main line to the rear was swollen solid not release fluid back out of the calipers. but you said you backed the brakes off the second was a gaulled output shaft support, i bought a roller bearing support from CRT Last edited by sixpackgut; 03/09/12 01:01 PM.

Re: Hard to push Dakota [Re: sixpackgut] #1193728 03/09/12 01:33 PM 03/09/12 01:33 PM
Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 4,071 Mo. racerx master
racerx master Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 4,071 Mo.	So sixpack was that the reason you were having a high rolling resistance ?

Re: Hard to push Dakota [Re: racerx] #1193729 03/09/12 01:52 PM 03/09/12 01:52 PM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,008 Sweet Home Alabama M MRMOPAR622 top fuel
MRMOPAR622 top fuel M Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,008 Sweet Home Alabama	This may not help,but I have noticed cars with spools in them or harder to push. "To Be The Man'You Have Got To Beat The Man" "T/D and Pro-Bracket Racer"

Re: Hard to push Dakota [Re: MRMOPAR622] #1193730 03/09/12 04:34 PM 03/09/12 04:34 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,020 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,020 U.S.S.A.	Quote: This may not help,but I have noticed cars with spools in them or harder to push. Around a corner yes , in a straight line no. Also to the op , the sprag in the trans is also part of the problem , it's easy to turn the driveshaft in one direction , the sprag is slack , the other way the sprag tightens up and it spins the geartrain in the trans . I don't remember which direction is easier than the other. Jack up the rear and grab a tire, turn one way then the other , it'll be easy one way and not in the other.

Re: Hard to push Dakota [Re: racerx] #1193731 03/09/12 04:44 PM 03/09/12 04:44 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston S sixpackgut Drag Week Mod Champion
sixpackgut Drag Week Mod Champion S Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston	Quote: So sixpack was that the reason you were having a high rolling resistance ? both issuses caused the same sortof problems. the brake problem i started to notice at the race track, the car would start getting slower then you would start to smell the brakes till it got so bad it wouldnt move. that was the rubber brake line problem the next problem was the same thing, started getting slower at the track. a couple days later, went to push the car a few feet and almost lost a nut. after some trouble shooting i figured it was in the trans Gen 3 power 6.22@110, 9.85@135 Follow @g3hemiswap on instagram performance only racing, CRT, ultimate converter, superior design concepts, ThumperCarbs

Re: Hard to push Dakota [Re: JohnRR] #1193732 03/09/12 06:51 PM 03/09/12 06:51 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,200 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,200 Bend,OR USA	Quote: Quote: This may not help,but I have noticed cars with spools in them or harder to push. Around a corner yes , in a straight line no. Also to the op , the sprag in the trans is also part of the problem , it's easy to turn the driveshaft in one direction , the sprag is slack , the other way the sprag tightens up and it spins the geartrain in the trans . I don't remember which direction is easier than the other. Jack up the rear and grab a tire, turn one way then the other , it'll be easy one way and not in the other. Forward is easy (counter clockwise looking forward under the car)backwards (clockwise) is harder, low ratio helical cut low gear sets make it worst Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: Hard to push Dakota [Re: Cab_Burge] #1193733 03/09/12 06:59 PM 03/09/12 06:59 PM
Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 20,640 in a cattle trailer down by th... G Guitar Jones Paddle faster! I hear banjo music!
Guitar Jones Paddle faster! I hear banjo music! G Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 20,640 in a cattle trailer down by th...	Quote: Quote: Quote: This may not help,but I have noticed cars with spools in them or harder to push. Around a corner yes , in a straight line no. Also to the op , the sprag in the trans is also part of the problem , it's easy to turn the driveshaft in one direction , the sprag is slack , the other way the sprag tightens up and it spins the geartrain in the trans . I don't remember which direction is easier than the other. Jack up the rear and grab a tire, turn one way then the other , it'll be easy one way and not in the other. Forward is easy (counter clockwise looking forward under the car)backwards (clockwise) is harder, low ratio helical cut low gear sets make it worst Yeah, makes sense now as I had a low gear set in my 904. "Follow me the wise man said, but he walked behind" '92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion. '74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. Rear disc and hydroboost conversion. 2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.

Re: Hard to push Dakota [Re: Cab_Burge] #1193734 03/09/12 07:03 PM 03/09/12 07:03 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: Quote: Quote: This may not help,but I have noticed cars with spools in them or harder to push. Around a corner yes , in a straight line no. Also to the op , the sprag in the trans is also part of the problem , it's easy to turn the driveshaft in one direction , the sprag is slack , the other way the sprag tightens up and it spins the geartrain in the trans . I don't remember which direction is easier than the other. Jack up the rear and grab a tire, turn one way then the other , it'll be easy one way and not in the other. Forward is easy (counter clockwise looking forward under the car)backwards (clockwise) is harder, low ratio helical cut low gear sets make it worst Either way it turns it gets hard to push... 1 tire has to go farther so they are both dragging(1 is going a longer distance and the other is trying to go the shorter distance but they TRY to average out so they BOTH drag)

Re: Hard to push Dakota [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1193735 03/09/12 07:36 PM 03/09/12 07:36 PM
Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,475 SW Ohio C cgall top fuel
cgall top fuel C Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,475 SW Ohio	Get your truck off the ground and check the fronts, should spin freely even with factory brakes. Pull driveshaft and check the rears. I'm with Challenger1, you may have a bent rear housing. If you are running an 8-3/4 without a back brace and have any kind of power at all, you may have tweaked it.

Re: Hard to push Dakota [Re: cgall] #1193736 03/10/12 10:51 AM 03/10/12 10:51 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,009 Richmond Twp. Mi. Mr340 super stock
Mr340 super stock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,009 Richmond Twp. Mi.	Quote: I'm with Challenger1, you may have a bent rear housing. If you are running an 8-3/4 without a back brace and have any kind of power at all, you may have tweaked it. give me some ideas on how to check for this... can it be done with it in the car or does it have to come out? Thanks. Last edited by Mr340; 03/10/12 10:52 AM.

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