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Re: $10,000 360 crate motor. really mp?
[Re: ZIPPY]
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02/25/12 02:53 PM
02/25/12 02:53 PM
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So Cal
autoxcuda
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They have been for sale for 6 years.
I'm no expert but wasn't the choke point circa 2008?
Good point.
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...Does anyone think the big difference in torque between stroked LA and stock Gen 3 will matter much in his application? Will he even use the extra power for anything but smoke shows?
Then he would have been a great 360/380 hp customer for $5,000 in 2008. But the raw materials aren't there to do that now.
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When gas is $6 a gallon, wouldn't he be better off with fuel injection? Injectors, rails, all the sensors, and the whole engine wiring harness comes already installed on the 6.1, use whatever pcm you want.
Very good point. People miss the continual costs.
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Good discussion but very time consuming LOL....glad I can type fast...
But I think it gave great insight and explanation. Worth it to all your customers here.
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Re: $10,000 360 crate motor. really mp?
[Re: autoxcuda]
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02/25/12 03:17 PM
02/25/12 03:17 PM
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Delray beach, Florida
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Zippy, i agree with you wholeheartedly. we build a lot of 360's, 408's and bigger using everything from LA blocks, Magnum blocks, R-3 blocks etc. i have a customers car in the shop right now that sounds very similar to what you mentioned. it's a 66 dart with a 360, magnum based motor but with good parts and better heads that flow in the 280's. TTi headers, Schumacher conversion mounts, etc. it'll likely never see a drag strip and the plan is to make it a daily driver. one of the MP crates would've worked fine for that. the Gen 3 hemi would be even better with the abilty to get better fuel mileage, better cold starts etc. etc. etc. fuel injection is the way to go IMO whenever financially feasible. you simply can't please everybody, but there is still a market for crate engines IMO. we've been extremely busy so i've only built a handful of 360/ 408 magnum crate combo's over the last few months and they're relatively mild at only 475-525 HP (depending on the combo) but i've sold every single one of them in a short amount of time. cost wise, they are more expensive than the MP crates. they are not racing engines, so to speak but will serve street/strip duty quite nicely with the parts they come with. 
machine shop owner and engine builder
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Re: $10,000 360 crate motor. really mp?
[Re: ZIPPY]
#1184266
02/25/12 04:25 PM
02/25/12 04:25 PM
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Southwestern Ontario Canada
racealittle
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A friend of mine runs a shop that caters to guys who cant do their own work. He is installing a gen 3 crate motor for a customer. Both spool and biscuit mounts come with the crate. It also looks like the factory header/exhaust pipe will work with the app. It seems to be a drop in.
I have recently decided to divest of all my good sb parts to make cash and gain space. I am down to one car and still have 6 bb engines with good parts. If I can whittle down to just a few engines, I may eventually make the change to a contemporary drivetrain for the car. It just makes sense to eventually go with fuel injection and 8 or 9 speed transmissions. It would be nice to get the basement and garage free of excess.
Too many cars, too many parts, too little coin, too little space to work in, too little time left to make it all happen!
Update: down to one ride, still too many parts, a little more jingle in the pocket, gaining space, and it's going to happen this year!
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Re: $10,000 360 crate motor. really mp?
[Re: racealittle]
#1184267
02/25/12 10:23 PM
02/25/12 10:23 PM
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junction city oregon
viperblue72
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I agree! Good information here. At least I understand now why the prices are so high. I do feel it is very unfortunate that the prices have gone so high, and do appreciate any offerings at all from mopar performance, being that its amazing they are still in business. Hopefully they will kick up the horsepower for the same price though and I think theyd sell more. Most looking to spend 10k on an engine aren't seeking 405hp. They are seeking 500 or 600 or even more sometimes. A person seeking 400 doesn't need all those nice parts. Well at least maybe the gen3 hemi will really take off and become even more affordable. that twin turbo 5.7 looks pretty sweet in this months car craft 
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Re: $10,000 360 crate motor. really mp?
[Re: 2734bbl]
#1184270
02/26/12 10:21 PM
02/26/12 10:21 PM
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Gloucester,VA STOP MOVING HERE
RangerDan440
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FWIW, just the other day, my machinist quoted me a price of $7500 for a Magnum-based 408 with iron heads and a guaranteed minimum of 425 HP/500 ft/lbs, plus a core. Thats complete intake to pan, with paint and balancing.
I agree with Zippy that an all new engine is better when possible but I do think over $10K for a stock bore, 400 HP 360 is on the pricey side.
The early cylinder heads were the ones prone to cracking; Ive been through 3 1996 and later Magnums, all with over 100K and the heads were fine.
68 Valiant 408
69 Charger 318
69 Cougar 351W
70 Torino GT 351C
71 Country Squire 351W
71 Road Runner 440+6
71 Satellite sedan 318
73 Duster 318
73 Challenger 383
77 Grand Prix 455
83 Malibu 9C1 383
84 Delta 88 403
87 Grand National
96 Ram 360
09 Crown Vic
10 Challenger R/T M6
15 Challenger Hellcat M6
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Re: $10,000 360 crate motor. really mp?
[Re: ZIPPY]
#1184271
02/27/12 10:20 AM
02/27/12 10:20 AM
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Grand Haven, MI
patrick
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Not 100% sure on "pure" reman, last time I talked applications with someone in that group they did sell
1990-ish era la engines but that was two years ago.
Demand differences beween reman and performance crate engines...under the right conditions: low price, economy is not in the toilet, folks aren't scared off by new technology, gas isn't 5 bucks a gallon and so on.....are pretty dramatic.
Let's say I need a 5.9 core to build up. I might find a wrecked 2002 truck in a yard around here, though most yard vehicles are newer. I can see whether it has oil and coolant in it. I can see if it has been hit in the front.
The big volume salvage yards will sell everything they can get their hands on, whether it has been burned in a fire, it has oil or coolant or not, it has been hit really hard in the front, and so on. They don't care, they just want to get paid. Given the nature of their business, I can't blame them. Can't really control what comes in the door at the reman facility.
I'm also guessing A LOT of core motors were lost in the cash for clunkers, since by law they had to be rendered inoperable, and had liquid glass poured into the cooling system, IIRC
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Re: $10,000 360 crate motor. really mp?
[Re: patrick]
#1184272
02/27/12 10:56 AM
02/27/12 10:56 AM
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EchoSixMike
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Drain oil, add waterglass, run til destruction. Core is useless.
Most stupid waste of taxdollars ever.
Quite literally, that crime makes me think that bills of attainder should make a comeback. S/F....Ken M
Last edited by EchoSixMike; 02/27/12 10:58 AM.
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I've got one EFI conversion under my belt, would love to have another