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You're just now noticing this?

Good morning, and welcome to 2006

The factory hasn't made any cheap, brand new 5.9s since 2002. MP used up everything the factory made for a few years, sold many $6000 dollar crate motors based on factory engines and when they were gone that was that, which was circa '06.

The foundation for the higher priced engines is a branyd new
$3000 dollar race block, Scat/K1/Diamond forged lower end components, Edelbrock heads (in the case of the 440, a special casting), and they're built by Gary Stanton Racing Engines.

Please feel free to try to duplicate any of them with all brand new parts, paying a professional to machine, build, dyno test and warrantee it, and let us know how that works out

Meanwhile...if you want a lower priced crate motor, try a brand new 425HP 6.1 HEMI for $6440 retail. Anywhere a small block will fit, a 6.1 Hemi will fit. Ask Jegs to tell you all about P5155437. The factory doesn't make those anymore either, they switched to 6.4 so get one while they're hot.

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I can remember when the 426 crate Hemi's went for $9995 and thought the 528 crate Hemi's were crazy at $13,995. Going back to the 1970s, I remember seeing ads for Gratiot Auto Supply selling Hemi shortblocks for $800. I need to find Mr. Peabody and take a trip in the Way Back Machine.

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great another thread full of mopar cheapskates.

those prices are not bad at all if you look at what you get for the money. they are actualy very reasonable especialy considering the low volume, if people stoped being so darn cheap and realise the value and buy them instad of bitshing about the price i could see the prices being possible ot bring down but not as long as everyone is just complaining when they get a pretty fair deal

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So buy a few up and take one for the team.
When I don't want to spend 10k for a 400 horse 360 I guess I'm just a cheapskate I would call someone who would buy one foolish.

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wow those are crazy prices. You could build a 700hp 440 for 10k. That's a ton of cash for a SB. Sorry 15-18k for a small block, unless it was a "rule" thing no way I'd drop that kind of cash into one. You could probably do a Hemi for that kind of money.
I thought there was a company selling a 500hp BB for 5k not to long ago?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Big-Block-Mopar-...=item5647506ae4 525HP just under 7k
http://www.ebay.com/itm/470-CID-Mopar-st...=item3cc294d4f8
600HP under $6000
Why on earth would anybody buy any of those units form MP?

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NONE of those high dollar parts are at all necessary for a low horsepower 360. ...

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That new MP block is way overkill for a 400 hp motor.

Why not build these lower HP motors out of the Mopar Reman. motor line/division?

Does Mopar sell Reman. LA360's?? If not, why not compete with Jasper and others?

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wow those are crazy prices. You could build a 700hp 440 for 10k. That's a ton of cash for a SB. Sorry 15-18k for a small block, unless it was a "rule" thing no way I'd drop that kind of cash into one. You could probably do a Hemi for that kind of money.
I thought there was a company selling a 500hp BB for 5k not to long ago?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Big-Block-Mopar-...=item5647506ae4 525HP just under 7k
http://www.ebay.com/itm/470-CID-Mopar-st...=item3cc294d4f8
600HP under $6000
Why on earth would anybody buy any of those units form MP?

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Quality = $$$$$ look at those motors you listed not real high quality parts doing a quick look I seen they had cheapo KB hyper pistons a stock used crank and rods stock block I mean nothing special

now look at my quality race motor

1- 4 bolt X-block = 1800.00
1- new challies crank = 990.00
1- set custom diamond pistons = 1000.00
1- comp custom solid roller = 300.00
1- set crane solid roller lifters = 550.00
1- set scat h beam rods = 350.00
1- set CNC indybrock heads with
Ferria valves,pac springs,
pac titanium retainers = 3500.00
1- set harland sharp rockers = 700.00
1- billet roller chain and gears = 100.00
1- ATI dampner = 400.00
1- set ARP head studs = 150.00
1- set ARP main studs = 75.00
1- used M1 intake ported = 175.00
1- set Cometics = 150.00
1- oil pump = 50.00
1- used milodon pan/ new pick up = 150.00
1- new timing cover = 150.00
1- set manton push rods = 125.00
1- machine shop bill = 1100.00
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total 11,715

and that does not include the rest of the gaskets,or the valve covers,carb,distributor,plugs wires ect ect

but I had a motor making well over 600 hp that was very reliable always ran the number and had less than 3% leakdown after 150 passes and the new owner is still beating on it and as long as he takes care of it it will last a long time.

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it's interesting to see what the majority mindset is on a subject like this.
(1) not everyone has tons of used engine parts laying around to cobble a motor together.
(2) not everyone wants a used motor
(3) not everyone has the experience and tools to build a good engine on their own, for them a crate engine makes sense on a number of levels
(4) the MP crate motors aren't making big horsepower, but they start with a solid foundation that will respond very well to a variety of upgrades.
i could literally go on and on, but i know it would be pointless.
heaven forbid if MP (or anyone else) were to actually make a profit. i have a lot of Mopar customers and believe it or not, most of them are NOT Moparts members. sometimes it's easy to forget that the whole Mopar world does not revolve around this website.

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wow those are crazy prices. You could build a 700hp 440 for 10k. That's a ton of cash for a SB. Sorry 15-18k for a small block, unless it was a "rule" thing no way I'd drop that kind of cash into one. You could probably do a Hemi for that kind of money.
I thought there was a company selling a 500hp BB for 5k not to long ago?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Big-Block-Mopar-...=item5647506ae4 525HP just under 7k
http://www.ebay.com/itm/470-CID-Mopar-st...=item3cc294d4f8
600HP under $6000
Why on earth would anybody buy any of those units form MP?

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Quality = $$$$$ look at those motors you listed not real high quality parts doing a quick look I seen they had cheapo KB hyper pistons a stock used crank and rods stock block I mean nothing special

now look at my quality race motor

1- 4 bolt X-block = 1800.00
1- new challies crank = 990.00
1- set custom diamond pistons = 1000.00
1- comp custom solid roller = 300.00
1- set crane solid roller lifters = 550.00
1- set scat h beam rods = 350.00
1- set CNC indybrock heads with
Ferria valves,pac springs,
pac titanium retainers = 3500.00
1- set harland sharp rockers = 700.00
1- billet roller chain and gears = 100.00
1- ATI dampner = 400.00
1- set ARP head studs = 150.00
1- set ARP main studs = 75.00
1- used M1 intake ported = 175.00
1- set Cometics = 150.00
1- oil pump = 50.00
1- used milodon pan/ new pick up = 150.00
1- new timing cover = 150.00
1- set manton push rods = 125.00
1- machine shop bill = 1100.00
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total 11,715

and that does not include the rest of the gaskets,or the valve covers,carb,distributor,plugs wires ect ect

but I had a motor making well over 600 hp that was very reliable always ran the number and had less than 3% leakdown after 150 passes and the new owner is still beating on it and as long as he takes care of it it will last a long time.

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but any of those BB's will run just as long and make more HP...with cheap pistons, stock re-used cranks and all. Even w/ new parts you can do it for way under 10k and have much more motor. That is a retail price. Nothing more.

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