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Powder coat leaf springs: Yes or no? #1181546
02/18/12 02:32 PM
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Will excessive heat affect the metal?


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Re: Powder coat leaf springs: Yes or no? [Re: moparbroz] #1181547
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where does any excessive hear come from?


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Re: Powder coat leaf springs: Yes or no? [Re: 340SHORTY] #1181548
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where does any excessive hear come from?




I'm guessing he means from the baking/curing process.


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Re: Powder coat leaf springs: Yes or no? [Re: zrxkawboy] #1181549
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where does any excessive hear come from?




I'm guessing he means from the baking/curing process.







It's only 300-350 degree F

Re: Powder coat leaf springs: Yes or no? [Re: zrxkawboy] #1181550
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Yep. Heat from the powder coating method.


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Re: Powder coat leaf springs: Yes or no? [Re: moparbroz] #1181551
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Sooner or later you'll regret power coting.

Re: Powder coat leaf springs: Yes or no? [Re: 71birdJ68] #1181552
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Sooner or later you'll regret power coting.




Yes, power cots are troublesome, something as simple as a cot doesn't need to be powered!

Re: Powder coat leaf springs: Yes or no? [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #1181553
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Sorry, my fingers got ahead of my brain. I ment, POWDER COAT!!!

Re: Powder coat leaf springs: Yes or no? [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #1181554
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And you say this because......?

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Sooner or later you'll regret power coting.




Yes, power cots are troublesome, something as simple as a cot doesn't need to be powered!




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Re: Powder coat leaf springs: Yes or no? [Re: moparbroz] #1181555
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a spring flexs to work.. Powdercoat doesnt..


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Re: Powder coat leaf springs: Yes or no? [Re: 340SHORTY] #1181556
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a spring flexs to work.. Powdercoat doesnt..




Interesting, might want to double check your facts... I was just reading a powder coating website & they were talking about some manufacturers actually powder coating spring steel prior to forming the coil... If it can take that kind of abuse normal spring flex would seem like a non-issue... Course the fact I've had powder coated leaf springs & torsion bars on my car for fifteen years with no issues might point to it being a non-issue too...


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Re: Powder coat leaf springs: Yes or no? [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #1181557
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Landrum,Longacre, EiBach & a bunch of others powder coat their springs.

Re: Powder coat leaf springs: Yes or no? [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #1181558
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the springs working (rubbing against each other) did not cause wear on the powder coat? or are these mono-leaf springs?

Re: Powder coat leaf springs: Yes or no? [Re: TheBlueBeast] #1181559
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My Landrum circle track rear springs are a nice baby blue. They still look good after 1 season


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Re: Powder coat leaf springs: Yes or no? [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #1181560
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nice one...

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a spring flexs to work.. Powdercoat doesnt..




Interesting, might want to double check your facts... I was just reading a powder coating website & they were talking about some manufacturers actually powder coating spring steel prior to forming the coil... If it can take that kind of abuse normal spring flex would seem like a non-issue... Course the fact I've had powder coated leaf springs & torsion bars on my car for fifteen years with no issues might point to it being a non-issue too...




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Re: Powder coat leaf springs: Yes or no? [Re: moparbroz] #1181561
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Powder coat cures at different temperatures depending on the material and your processor. The facility I use cures at 450 degrees, temperatures this high can change the temper of the spring and for this reason I chose not to powder coat my original 1970 springs, figuring they were not curved based on a reduced temper. My main concern with this would be ride height, not failure. I did recently read an article that talked about some new systems that cure at as low as 250 degrees, well within a safe range to not change material temper

New springs curved based on the final temper should be fine (i.e a manufacturer that designed their spring based on body weight and ride height, think of this as a system), but I don't think this is what your talking about.

The other concern I would have would be sticking. Powder coat is basically melted plastic and I'm unsure if it were completely coated that it wouldn't cause the springs to stick. Assuming you still use the zinc inserts and plastic slides it really becomes an issue with how well they react with the powder coat. Unless you plan to pre assemble and mask the contact areas to remain bare, eliminating all these issues.

Best of luck with your decision, would love hear detail, see pictures, and hear your impression should you decide to go this route.

Re: Powder coat leaf springs: Yes or no? [Re: AAR#2] #1181562
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Great feedback. Thank you. I will follow up with pics and results/issues. Worst case scenario? Buy a set of new springs!

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Powder coat cures at different temperatures depending on the material and your processor. The facility I use cures at 450 degrees, temperatures this high can change the temper of the spring and for this reason I chose not to powder coat my original 1970 springs, figuring they were not curved based on a reduced temper. My main concern with this would be ride height, not failure. I did recently read an article that talked about some new systems that cure at as low as 250 degrees, well within a safe range to not change material temper

New springs curved based on the final temper should be fine (i.e a manufacturer that designed their spring based on body weight and ride height, think of this as a system), but I don't think this is what your talking about.

The other concern I would have would be sticking. Powder coat is basically melted plastic and I'm unsure if it were completely coated that it wouldn't cause the springs to stick. Assuming you still use the zinc inserts and plastic slides it really becomes an issue with how well they react with the powder coat. Unless you plan to pre assemble and mask the contact areas to remain bare, eliminating all these issues.

Best of luck with your decision, would love hear detail, see pictures, and hear your impression should you decide to go this route.




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