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Re: Need photo 70 E-Body Backside of Dash Please. [Re: screamindriver] #117880
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Im really digging this topic. If we go a little further we will have almost a step by step pic of where every plug in goes. Im serious. I for one bought my car with things in bags, and milk crates. I will need every edge to get my car wired back. Keep it coming boys! Show us some wiring talent.

Re: Need photo 70 E-Body Backside of Dash Please. [Re: gomangoRTSE] #117881
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Lamp on Reminder Buzzer Diode 70 P/N 2983595
Available on all Chrysler Cars in 70, according to the 70-71 Parts manual. It went NS1 sometime between 75 & 79.
I've never seen one in person. The one that is posted here is from a members car, so they do exist.

Re: Need photo 70 E-Body Backside of Dash Please. [Re: Snoopy] #117882
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Perhaps Beepbeep will see this and post some pictures, he sent a couple when I had a question and said he had a lot more of every part of the back of original dashes including wiring.

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WOW, These dashes look beautiful !!! You're all doing some great work....I've tried to follow different threads over the years on that diode and it's use and have'nt seen any real good answers on what the deal is....It definitely was used on some models and actually one of the pics snoopy posted has a pic of the factory diode...I'm not sure where these pics originated but I saved this one because I thought it was an interesting subject...This is the color version of the one snoopy posted with the highlighted "diode"....




how is this diode connected into the harness? any photoes of that?

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Check this out...Here's a pic of an original 70 diode...

Re: Need photo 70 E-Body Backside of Dash Please. [Re: screamindriver] #117885
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And here's one I made....I went to Radio Shack and bought the 276-1143 diode {which was rated at 3 amps}...Came in a 2 pack for a few bucks.. ...Dug out an old connector and wired/soldered the diode in place...Take note which way the diode band needs to face to block the backfeed current...The paper is a reference for the diode placement and direction{from the FSM}... ... And lastely the finished product gets wrapped with some cloth tape and I made up a tag for ID... Total cost less than 5 bucks !!!! ....

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Thanks for taking the time to post your findings.
I have been looking for one of those diodes for years.
Why do you think they were used in some cars and not in others? I have looked at many dash harnesses and never ran across a diode.
Is it only required with certain options?

Re: Need photo 70 E-Body Backside of Dash Please. [Re: Snoopy] #117887
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Hi Snoopy,
I've added the 70 diode to the list and have been looking now as I'm hitting the area's boneyards and I've come up empty handed...I've got one yard that needs to be picked through in the winter after the jungle recedes... .....Judging by the literature you've posted...The increased cost for the stand alone headlight delay compared to the AO1 package would lead us to believe it's the cost of the diode that would already be in place with the AO1 package....But it seems not all AO1 cars actually got the diode... And the research continues....

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BeepBeep is the only member I know that actually has an original car (70 Challenger) with the diode.

This is a picture he took of the diode in one of his Challengers.



Maybe he will chime in with some information about the car.

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The mechanical equivalent to a diode is a one-way check valve. It allows current to travel in one direction but not the other.
What was the factory trying to protect with the diode?

Re: Need photo 70 E-Body Backside of Dash Please. [Re: Snoopy] #117890
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I was wondering where that pic originated.. ..The diode allows the current from the headlight switch to activate the buzzer but blocks the current from the key-in circuit from backfeeding into the headlight switch and system..

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Does the buzzer work without the diode?

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Does the buzzer work without the diode?


Only as the key-in buzzer...When the diode bridges the connector we've discussed then it serves double duty for the headlamp warning buzzer as well... I'm going to check with some of my friends here locally and see if the diode is in place on any of them...I know the one E-body has the factory headlight delay set-up.....

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Tell me where to look for that diod. I have the key in/lights on buzzer, with the headlight delay relay and it all works. the lights stay on for some minutes if I turn the ign off before the lights. the buzzer buzzes if I open the door with either the light switch on OR the key in.

So I must have it. I found the delay timer and the headlight relay for the headlights but I cant find that darn connector with the diode

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Second page of this thread has a few different pics of the connector and the info on the location...

Re: Need photo 70 E-Body Backside of Dash Please. [Re: screamindriver] #117895
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I posted all this in the HEADLIGHT RELAY !)! thread but Im posting here as well cause its relevant.

i spent a LONG time under the dash last night and I finally figured out why Ive never seen that diode.

cause I dont have one.

but the funny thing was- my headlight buzzer and my key in buzzer work and that didnt make sense. so I looked and traced it all out and I figured out how MY system works and its nothing like the schematics posted or in my service manual or the posts up above.

Someone might recogize the setup in my car and let me know WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON. or it could just be jimmy rigged. im thinking it was jimmy rigged

under my dash, theres that black molded connector (Black) shaped like a T just like they show in the service manual schematic.

There are 2 Black /w yel wires and 2 Red wires going to the T connector. one red goes to the steering columm key switch and the other red goes to the key in buzzer so when the key is in theres power to the key in buzzer (since these wires are tied together)

But the mating connector is NOT the diode connector like its shown above. Theres a short (about 4" long) harness connected to it with T connectors on both ends with 2 yellow wires (which connect to Reds above) and a Red wire
(which connects to the blk /w yell wires above).

One of the two yellow wires goes into a harness (and that goes into a relay with some grn and a pink wire. I have no idea what it does) but the other yellow wire and Red wire run about 4"s to another T connector. That connector has a longer cable hooked up to it which is about 12" long. that cable is 2 wires- a blk and a yell wire.

It ends at a relay looking thing mounted to the dash frame by the radio. I figured out that its a replacement the diode (or at least works like one). I'm not sure if its a factory replacement, an upgrade of some sort, or possibly from a later year harness, or just something the previous owner jimmy rigged to replace a blown out diode. Im betting on the latter just by looking at some of the other wiring mods to the car.

So, when the lights are on, power comes from the Blk /w yell wire to that relay and energizes it. It closes and sends that 12v to the yellow wire that goes to the Red wire for the key in buzzer.

with the lights off, the relay is open so the key in the ignition doesnt backfeed the light switch or the lights when IT powers up the buzzer.

Here is a diagram of what I found.

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/upload2/4795802-headlightwarningcircuit.pdf

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OK here's the story on that connector... ...




The Roadlamp relay plugs into that connector on 70 Cudas'


Correct !!! Which leads us to the next step on that connector...As Snoopy has pointed out if the car has road lamps the wiring harness from the lamps plug into that connector...I'm going to borrow two pics that Beepbeep{thanks Beepbeep !} has posted in the past instead of going out and standing on my head for the pics... Here's another shot of that busy connector.... .... And here's a pic of the 70 roadlamp harness....Take note that the connector marked "headlight warning buzzer" does in fact plug into that connector and in turn has another plug for the diode to do it's job...




and based on this post, its obvious that yjr little 4" harness I described above is correct cause it has the feed for the road lamps. All I need is the diode setp to replace the jimmy rigged real that I have and that wont be a problem since I can just use that mystery harness that goes to the mystery relay I have.

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Glad you got it figured out...I've got my heavy duty diode installed as well and it works great... ...I'm in the process of installing the NOS E-body headlight delay relay{from my previous pic} and should be completed by the weekend...

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Please tell us a little more about the heavy duty diode. part #? where to get it?

Tav

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