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Re: 6 spd swap progress
[Re: 72Swinger]
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02/10/12 03:54 AM
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Right on! Engine set back would nice in mine to. Is that a Camaro trans? That shifter will be right next to your hip pocket lol!
It is a camaro trans, '99 to be exact. I figure I'll have to build my own shift lever to get it forward and away from my hip. It might not be too bad though either. Right now I have a set of neon seats sitting in it. They were had for the right price (free) and have much better ergonomics than the factory seats. Eventually I'll get some nice aftermarket seats, but I can't see throwing money at something that doesn't get the car on the road faster. On to my point: the shifter feels like it's in about the right spot with where I have the seats sitting. The back of the transmission is still sitting a little bit high so it'll help once I let it down a bit.
I expect that transmission won't last forever as it's only rated for around 400 ft lbs.
Keep the pictures coming please, it gives me some drive to actually get to work on mine. 
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Re: 6 spd swap progress
[Re: MuuMuu101]
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02/10/12 08:10 PM
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I just did a quick check on wiki and it says that the 99' Camaro T56 should be able to handle 450 ft-lbs. The only things better than that are the Viper T56's and those can handle 550 ft-lbs.
And if he decided to rebuild that camaro t56, he could upgrade the internals to viper specs. A few upgrades go a long way with these transmissions.
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Re: 6 spd swap progress
[Re: dodgeboy11]
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02/10/12 10:11 PM
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Right on! Engine set back would nice in mine to. Is that a Camaro trans? That shifter will be right next to your hip pocket lol!
Actually you can get a shifter that uses the mid-mount location vs the rear location. See that square plate with 4 bolts on top, above the forward "skip shift" solenoid? remove that plate and you have a place to mount a shifter mechanism.
Buddy of mine has a viper spec T56 in his Dakota, and it uses that forward mounted shifter location. His was a "hack job" where they made the rear shfiter work on the mid point, but I'm pretty sure you can buy a shifter mechanism that does not require any grinding or "ovaling" of holes.
by the way...I really want one of these in my Dakota too, but can't afford the gearbox or quicktime bell to get one into a Dakota. unfortunately with the EFI of a Dakota, I'd also have to shell out big money for a custom flywheel, because nobody makes a 130 tooth flywheel with the windows for the crank position sensor, to fit into the quicktime bell, and nobody makes a small block mopar to T-56 bell housing that accepts a stock Dakota 143 tooth flywheel with the windows for the CPS.
so to do the swap in my truck, I'm looking at nearly $1500 before I even get the gearbox! 
OH, and with that .5 OD in 6th gear...go big or go home! 4.56s!!! and still cruise the highway at 70+ mph, at under 2500 rpm!
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Re: 6 spd swap progress
[Re: wrenchinrandy]
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02/10/12 10:41 PM
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I know they are only rated at 550 ft/lbs (for the Viper trans), but mine survived 711 rear wheel ft/lbs and I witnessed a blown Viper make over 700 ft/lbs to the wheels as well. Both are stock trannys though the Viper had a cabon fiber clutch. Short of some serious high output engine, both of you should be fine with what you have.
I was just going to say... These transmissions seem to have a wide aftermarket or how else would they be able to handle a supercharged viper.
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Re: 6 spd swap progress
[Re: MuuMuu101]
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02/12/12 04:38 PM
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I can't remember the specifics, but the t56 in the lt1 cars was made by someone else and then the ls1 cars had another manufacturer. The lt1 trans are better than the ls1 model. They do have a different length input shaft though. I believe ones an inch longer than the other. I'll be swapping in the lt1 style if they make the right bellhousing and such for them.
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Re: 6 spd swap progress
[Re: 72Swinger]
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02/13/12 05:47 AM
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I was in the right place at the right time for mine and snagged it for the low price of 300 or 350 (can't remember specifics). I doubt I will ever have super sticky tires on it, well, not super sticky drag tires, but I figure it will handle the power I'll be putting through it. I know that if the countershaft is shimmed up to have zero to .002" preload that it's supposed to increase the power capability by a good margin. I don't want to scatter this one, but if I ever do I'll simply have to save my pennies and put a Tranzilla in it. Supposed to be capable of handling 1200 ft lbs, so I don't think I could ever break it unless I threw metal shavings in it and no oil.
I can't honestly say at this time what my plan for the car is. I won't steer away from having it handle and stop well, but the power plant is always something I change. I'll keep it small block because of weight issues, but other than that, stroker 360? R3 block with W9 heads? R5/P7 combo? Those are starting to drop in cost and there seems to be tons of parts out there if you can find enough of them that'll match once you gather enough of them up. Something about the new Hemi that just rubs me wrong, so that's not really an option. The viper v10 sounds like a milk truck on steroids, so that's out as well. Maybe I'm too picky...
Come on money tree, GROW!!!!
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Re: 6 spd swap progress
[Re: dodgeboy11]
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02/13/12 10:24 AM
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I say go with a 408 stroked 360. you can make 500 hp on one easy, and with aluminum heads, you save 50 lbs off the front end.
with aluminum intake, heads, water pump housing, pump, timing cover, and then headers over manfolds, you could have a 500 hp small block that weighs 100+ lbs less than an original all iron small block.
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Re: 6 spd swap progress
[Re: 70Cuda383]
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02/13/12 11:35 PM
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Only 500?  I figure a solid roller with some oval port Indy heads will put me in the 600 range as the last one I built was a hydraulic roller and it made 570 on the dyno. It really wanted to keep spinning up in rpm but the lifters would not support it over 6500 rpm. Plus, the tall lifter and relatively short pushrod made the intake pushrod angle look really really severe. Thankfully I wasn't footing the bill on that one, I just assembled it and ported the heads. Regardless, 570+ hp in an approximately 3200 lb challenger with a six speed should make for a great deal of fun. Honestly I really enjoy the engine aspect of a project. The rest is just a wrapper that needs to do the engine justice. Unfortunately I don't work at a machine shop anymore so I'm glad I have the short block finished minus crank balance. I kinda feel like I stole the thread... 
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Re: 6 spd swap progress
[Re: dodgeboy11]
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02/25/12 07:22 AM
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Crossmember stamped done! And it weighs 10.4 lbs Andy lol!
Last edited by 72Swinger; 02/25/12 07:25 AM.
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Re: 6 spd swap progress
[Re: DaytonaTurbo]
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02/25/12 11:09 AM
02/25/12 11:09 AM
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Cool swap, I also picked up a T56 for mine that will be going in this spring.
But I have to ask, why is this in the handling section???
If you ever get your car out to a serious track/course, you'll find out how much benefit a 5 or 6 spd transmission is,...a 3spd auto or 4 spd manual ending in a 1:1 finial just doesn't "make the grade"
Mike
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Re: 6 spd swap progress
[Re: DAYCLONA]
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02/25/12 01:39 PM
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Cool swap, I also picked up a T56 for mine that will be going in this spring.
But I have to ask, why is this in the handling section???
If you ever get your car out to a serious track/course, you'll find out how much benefit a 5 or 6 spd transmission is,...a 3spd auto or 4 spd manual ending in a 1:1 finial just doesn't "make the grade"
Mike
I understand how a 3 spd auto doesn't make the grade....
But if would think a 4spd manual is fine on the track if you pick the proper rear gears. The one or two overdrives are for street.
Tim Werner in his 68 Valiant does fine with a 4spd. And close ratio gearset is prefered.
Most road race 5 speeds have 1:1 final gear drive ratios. Serious road race Jerico trans' are all 1:1 final drives. http://jericoperformance.com/downloads/5_speed_ratio.pdf
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Re: 6 spd swap progress
[Re: DAYCLONA]
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02/27/12 07:30 PM
02/27/12 07:30 PM
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DaytonaTurbo
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Cool swap, I also picked up a T56 for mine that will be going in this spring.
But I have to ask, why is this in the handling section???
If you ever get your car out to a serious track/course, you'll find out how much benefit a 5 or 6 spd transmission is,...a 3spd auto or 4 spd manual ending in a 1:1 finial just doesn't "make the grade"
Mike
Nice job totally missing the point of my original comment. I never said a 6-speed is bad for handing, my point is converting to a 6-speed doesn't make your car handle better, nor does it have anything to do with suspension. I just thought this topic belonged in the general tech section.
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Re: 6 spd swap progress
[Re: DaytonaTurbo]
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02/27/12 08:57 PM
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The way I see it a 6 spd is sorta niche for Road course and high end Supercars, does my car fit that group? Uhh hell no! But look at the only trans available in cars like ZR1,ZO6,GT500,Viper etc. and it just makes me think of balls to the wall and high speed corners.....
Mopar to the bone!!!
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Re: 6 spd swap progress
[Re: 72Swinger]
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02/27/12 10:55 PM
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Why does everyone on this board have to be so critical?
it's a cool build just go with it.
Much more interesting than the "what is a sway bar" threads.
Op..keep up the good work. I have enjoyed the thread so far ...at least some of the people here are actually working on their cars.
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Re: 6 spd swap progress
[Re: 72Swinger]
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02/28/12 03:18 AM
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Well as you can tell from the pics, to install the T56 you must cut your torsion bar cross member and make a new tranny mount. This implies you need to fab up a new way to tie up the cut torsion bar cross member and/or install subframe connectors... That's dealing with frame/suspension... So it does belong here. To OP, I like your tranny support...beefy. More pics! 
Last edited by G_T; 02/28/12 03:21 AM.
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