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'71 318-four speeds in an e-body possible?
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Ola's e-body 'vert registry lists 6 318 4-speed Barracudas, including one with a shaker.
Is it possible to have such an engine/trans combo in 1971? I just flat out don't believe the 318 shaker car.
BH27G1B 189799 A20 TU 4 sp U x722x GY3 H6XW V3W B51,C16,C55,G36,P37,R11
BH27G1B 388298 5xx 4 sp ? x722x EV2 H6X9 V3X
BH27G1B 390008 513 SA 4 sp U x722x GB5 H6XW V3W A01,A36,B51,C16,C55,G37,H51,J45,J54,M21,P31,P37,R21,26
BH27G1B 426254 611 FR 4 sp U x722x GY3 H6X9 V3X C55,Rxx
BH27G1B 4 sp ? x722x GY3 H6X9 V3X V6X A01,A22,G36,J25,J45,J81,L34,M25,M31,M88,N41,N42,N96,Rxx
Then there's also 3 Challenger 318s w/4-speeds:
JH27G1B 154809 924 TH 4 sp ? x2165x FC7 H6XW V3W V5W C16,C55,G36,H51,M31,P37,Rxx,26
JH27G1B 156875 9xx 25 or 26 4 sp U x1793x FE5 H6X9 V3X A62,G33,N85,P37
JH27G1B 238789 C09 TU 4 sp U x1793x TX9 H6X9 V3X V5X A46,C55,G15,G31,G33,L31,M31,M42,M44,P37,R11
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Re: '71 318-four speeds in an e-body possible?
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Yes, 1971 & 318 & 4-spd is possible in a Barracuda convertible - the '71 production numbers are a bit messed up, but in '70 ~58 were built (US spec.). The lack of a VIN# on the one with the N96 would lead me to believe that those are visual clues to ID it if further info became available. Here's a '70 Barracuda convertible  factory pink, 318, 4-spd, A/C, & AM/FM.  pic "stolen" from pantherpink.com
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Re: '71 318-four speeds in an e-body possible?
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I was specifically referring to 1971s. According to: http://home.earthlink.net/~mopared/productionchange.htm"8/20/70: Code D21, 4-speed transmission, is not available with 198, 225, 318 or 383-2v engines. " I guess there could have been a few 1971 four-speed 318s squeek through before that date.
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Re: '71 318-four speeds in an e-body possible?
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a shaker on a 318 would have to be a one off base plate to fit a 2 barrel. and if they would have had a 318 4 bbl (not optional), more than likely it was dealer installed.
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Re: '71 318-four speeds in an e-body possible?
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How does it ( N96 ) get on the fender tag if it was dealer installed???
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Re: '71 318-four speeds in an e-body possible?
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The lack of a VIN# on the one with the N96 would lead me to believe that those are visual clues to ID it if further info became available.
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Re: '71 318-four speeds in an e-body possible?
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I believe my 71 318 was built sept 22, 1970. My vin is jh23g1b150402, does this mean I have the 402nd challenger built at hamtramck?
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Re: '71 318-four speeds in an e-body possible?
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"8/20/70: Code D21, 4-speed transmission, is not available with 198, 225, 318 or 383-2v engines. "
I guess there could have been a few 1971 four-speed 318s squeek through before that date.
All of the E44/D21's I have are after that date. I think that source may be inaccurate. 
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Re: '71 318-four speeds in an e-body possible?
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I believe my 71 318 was built sept 22, 1970. My vin is jh23g1b150402, does this mean I have the 402nd challenger built at hamtramck?
No...it means your car had the 50,402nd VIN assigned to all cars built at the plant. With only a couple of exceptions, VINs were not assigned sequentially by makes and/or models.
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Re: '71 318-four speeds in an e-body possible?
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Thanks for the explanation. Sorry for the hijack.
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Re: '71 318-four speeds in an e-body possible?
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"Can anyone tell me if the 318 rallye challengers or cudas in 73 and 74 came with duel exhaust and/or four barrels? " This is a great question as my car is a true 318 'Cuda (BS23G4B14xxxx) but the trunk pan has the single tip hanger and no evidence of a second pipe. Kinda hard to imagine a real 'Cuda with a non 'Cuda valence panel. BTW, mine was a yellow/blk top 318/904, A/C, rear swaybar, console, non-ralley car. Now it's a hulk of metal & parts waiting patiently in the corner.  Todd
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Re: '71 318-four speeds in an e-body possible?
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By "non-ralley" I meant the instrumant cluster.
The only available options mine didn't come with are; fender mounted turn indicators, ralley dash, am/fm w/cassette, hood pins, and the aformentioned 360 w/dual exhaust. Also, my car is not a Barracuda nor a Gran Coupe, it is a BS23 'Cuda and had the 318/904 combo.
From what I have researched, in '73 the BS23 'Cuda came with a 318 2bbl standard and a 340 4bbl option. in '74 it was a 318 2bbl standard and 360 4bbl option. I have never seen nor heard of a '73-4 318 manual trans 'Cuda and neither Galen or his books could tell me if any exist.
Still hard to imagine a loaded, badged out 'Cuda with a single pipe !
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Re: '71 318-four speeds in an e-body possible?
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By "non-ralley" I meant the instrumant cluster.
The only available options mine didn't come with are; fender mounted turn indicators, ralley dash, am/fm w/cassette, hood pins, and the aformentioned 360 w/dual exhaust. Also, my car is not a Barracuda nor a Gran Coupe, it is a BS23 'Cuda and had the 318/904 combo.
From what I have researched, in '73 the BS23 'Cuda came with a 318 2bbl standard and a 340 4bbl option. in '74 it was a 318 2bbl standard and 360 4bbl option. I have never seen nor heard of a '73-4 318 manual trans 'Cuda and neither Galen or his books could tell me if any exist.
Still hard to imagine a loaded, badged out 'Cuda with a single pipe !
Hood pins were not available on the 73 E-bodies.
As for the trans, you could get a 318 2 bbl, single exhaust and it came with a 3-spd floor-mounted manual. 4-spd not available with the 318 in 73. Torqueflite was optional.
On E-bodies, 4-spd was only available on the 340 in 73, 360 in 74.
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Re: '71 318-four speeds in an e-body possible?
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I think the 340 was standard in the 72 Cuda very early on in production. I think there is some factory literature on Hamtramck-historical stating that the 318 would be the standard engine in the 72 Cuda after a certain date. I'd have to look for it to be certain. EDIT: Here is the bulletin dated Sept 24, 1971. http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/imag...p%20pib%205.jpg
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Re: '71 318-four speeds in an e-body possible?
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Hood pins were not available on the 73 E-bodies.
As for the trans, you could get a 318 2 bbl, single exhaust and it came with a 3-spd floor-mounted manual. 4-spd not available with the 318 in 73. Torqueflite was optional.
On E-bodies, 4-spd was only available on the 340 in 73, 360 in 74.
Were hood pins available on a '74 BS23G (318) 'Cuda and if so, was the "Plymouth" nameplate still in the front corner ? I have an earlier hoodpin hood that has no notches in the brace for the three studs to mount the nameplate (I assume so the lanyard doesn't rub on it) and a later non-hoodpin hood that has them. Either way, it will have pins and dual exhaust if/when I ever get to finish it. 
Hood pins were not offered on any 72-74 E-bodies. As far as putting them on your 73 Cuda, go for it...  I put them on my 73 Challenger, and like them alot. I also put on the duals w/ factory tips.
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Re: '71 318-four speeds in an e-body possible?
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It appears the 3rd one on the list: BH27G1B 390008 513 SA 4 sp U x722x GB5 H6XW V3W A01,A36,B51,C16,C55,G37,H51,J45,J54,M21,P31,P37,R21,26 is up for sale on ebey... ebay link to 1971 Barracuda Convertible 318 car
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Re: '71 318-four speeds in an e-body possible?
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Not to hijack the E-body thread..but I have the sister car to your 'Runner a '74 Charger Rallye with a 318-2bbl and a console shifted pistol grip 4-speed. I'm sure it's rare too! ~RT NO factory dual exhaust or 4bbl on 318 powered e-bodies.
That's interesting, I never knew that the later 'Cuda was offered with a 318 2V with no dual exhaust with it. Yet you could get a 318 2V Road Runner in '73-'74 and it came with dual exhaust and machine gun tips. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shruggy.gif" alt="" /> I have a '73 Road Runner, factory 318 2V, Pistolgrip 4 speed car (rarest combo that year, 1 of 350) with dual exhaust and tips:
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Re: '71 318-four speeds in an e-body possible?
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For the uninformed, the base level Plymouth E-body was called Barracuda. The high performance one was called 'Cuda and the luxury one was called Gran Coupe. The 'Cuda was the counterpart of the Challenger R/T.
So many people call every Plymouth E-body a 'Cuda but that's not accurate.
R. The public was calling all barracudas "cudas" long before plymouth did their performance barracuda.
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Re: '71 318-four speeds in an e-body possible?
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I know a guy that has two RRs 73/74 318, 2 barrel duel exhaust with tips. One is a 4 speed
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Re: '71 318-four speeds in an e-body possible?
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that is NOT a Chrysler Corp. produced fender tag  I totally thought the tag was too good to be true... but what is the "tell?"
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Re: '71 318-four speeds in an e-body possible?
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Tag from the Craigslist Convertible...
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Re: '71 318-four speeds in an e-body possible?
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VIN number in ad is incorrect. There is a number where the engine letter should be. BTW, this was a 4 year old thread that got resurrected. Craig
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Re: '71 318-four speeds in an e-body possible?
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VIN number in ad is incorrect. There is a number where the engine letter should be. BTW, this was a 4 year old thread that got resurrected. Craig true - because one of the original cars (BH27G1B390008) that the thread was started about was recently listed on eBay.
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It was a 383 
318 IS standard on the Barracuda 
