Worth moving to Victor 440 intake?
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67 Belvedere 440 Ross 11.5 to 1, stock rods and crank, .590 cam, Edelbrock RPM's (with a little bit of work), Harland Sharp 1.5's, Weiand Team G, Holley 1000 HP, TTI headers with 3" Dynomax Ultra Flows, Reverse manual 727, 9.5" Converter 4500 stall, 8.75 with 4.30's, 29x9 Hoosiers Here's my current setup. I wanted to see if its worth going to Victor 440. Best Et so far after only 23 runs 10.96@122
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Re: Worth moving to Victor 440 intake?
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the mopar 337 is better and you dont have to use the stupid valley pan anymore
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Re: Worth moving to Victor 440 intake?
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446 12.5 613/276 stage 4 heads ported ........ 10.85 123 mph
my M1 to the VICTOR 440 , with a 1050 , where about the same , both ported too and I was spinnining it at 6500
it would depend on the weiand you have now
what,s the weigth of the car
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Re: Worth moving to Victor 440 intake?
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Weiand Team G,
I think if you do some research...you will find that almost any single plane COULD pick you up over the Team G. Alot of the Gs have core shift issues...
One fellow on here (with a combo close to yours) picked up .2 or so going from a G to a RPM. But, more than likely the gain was not from the RPM itself, but from the potentially substandard G...
72 RR, Pump gas 440, 452s, 3800 lbs, Corked, ET Radials,. 11.33@117.72.
Same car, bone stock 346s, 9.5 comp, baby solid. 12.24@110.
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Re: Worth moving to Victor 440 intake?
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It can be hard to beat a ported SD on the street on a high compression 440 or a 600hp 500 incher. A shorter runner will be less restrictive to the valve than a longer one of the same cross section, so unless you need more torque below the torque peak a shorter runner is generally better for power. SG's table kind of bears that out from Steve Dulcich's article on an 11:1 max ported 915 headed 440. The M1 is also a very good manifold but it has taller but narrower runners and it's a bit more work to port. I agree with Chip the SD and Perf RPM are very close, particularly on an Automatic B or E body 440 to about 550hp. The RPM will make a little more torque and the SD will make a little more power and the cross-over point is around 4000rpm...et's will be very close. A heavier/tigher stalled car will favor the RPM, a lighter or 4 speed car generally the SD. But a street 383 based B/E car will almost always favor the RPM, IMO. The huge advantage of the SD is not 'outof the box'; it is relatively easy to port to flow over 310cfm which makes it a perfect choice for many/most 500" B/RB's with E-heads, especially when you need it to fit under the stock hood. You are running a Team G and it's NOT a torque maker below 4000rpm but it makes very good top end power. I had a 550 horse 451 stroker in a 73 duster with 3.91's and a fairly tight 3500 stall Fairbanks, a warmed over SD woked the best in that motor, the Team G was too soft below 4500 and since it was a 90% street car I wanted to keep the stall tight. I also tried an M1 on this motor and it worked about the same as the SD but noticably better part throttle torque and no less power than the G. The G works best in Light cars with 4800-up stall and deep gears. I think on your motor the Victor would be an improvement and would probably work AS WELL on your particular combo than an SD...but not necessarily any better. And with a little porting the SD picks up about 40cfm (from 270 per runner to ~310) pretty easily, and that's more than enough flow to support ~630 hp.
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Re: Worth moving to Victor 440 intake?
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some light reading
There's no way there's that much difference b/t a Performer RPM and the Holley SD. I've tested them both back to back at the track and they run almost identical to each other on a very similar motor to what that test used. More excellent dyno results from Mopar Muscle magazine.
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Re: Worth moving to Victor 440 intake?
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Thanks for all the replys. Glenn, I may take you up on the offer. I did fail to mention that I have the Team G with 4500 flange. I am using an adaptor for my 4150. I have a Street Dominator on my dads Satellite that I can pull off and try but I'm leaning toward a Victor. If I go with the Victor should go with the regular Victor with the 4150 flange or the Super Victor with 4500 and use my adaptor again? Also, should I do some porting or run it out of the box?
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1957 Chevy 1/2 ton [Email]13.07@101[/Email]
1967 Plymouth Belvedere Best Et(So far)10.88@124 with mufflers
1971 Plymouth Satellite [Email]12.70@108[/Email]
1993 Dodge Dakota 4x4 318
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