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Re: Help Me Spend $1500 to Go Faster
[Re: bodyworks racing]
#1151927
01/07/12 03:27 PM
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Sounds to me like you have enough motor/trans/rear for mid-12s easily. Me, I'd move the battery to the R/R of the trunk, put subframe connectors in it, do the 'glass ft bumper, and remove weight up front: splash shields, brackets, and wiper stuff, radio & heater if it's a dedicated drag car.
Then see what it does and what needs to be addressed. Likely a Caltracs setup & some loose ft shocks. Of course heads & more cam will pick up a bunch, but first I'd want to make sure the car applies the power you have and can handle an upgrade.
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Re: Help Me Spend $1500 to Go Faster
[Re: 67Satty]
#1151930
01/07/12 05:14 PM
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Phoenix,Az.
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I guess I'm different from everybody else. I agree it should do mid 12s as-is, but since you're set on spending money, my opinion is subframe connectors,springs, caltracs & the appropriate shocks. That will probably eat up your money there, unless you do all the work yourself. My train of thought is this: you can have all the hp you want. If it isn't going to the groundd you're wasting time & money. A more rigid platform with the proper leveraging set-up (caltracs) will allow the CAR (not engine) to put out the power necessary while staying together so you don't tear-up anything...........just my  ...good luck
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Re: Help Me Spend $1500 to Go Faster
[Re: Pacnorthcuda]
#1151936
01/08/12 12:31 AM
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Hinterland SE Qld Aust
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Any expenditure of $1500 that doesn't replace the iron heads currently on the motor is leaving ET on the table...
Iron heads have been running 10s, 11s & 12s for decades, sure he would pick up on flow but alloy heads will soften his current compression thus reducing the amount of usable cam duration unless of couse the heads get worked, but then theres your budget out the window
every one is right, it should run 12s now, he should be askin how to spend that $1500 to see 11s
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Re: Help Me Spend $1500 to Go Faster
[Re: SG duster]
#1151937
01/08/12 12:40 AM
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truely "stock" 452's with 2.08 valves only flow like 215-220cfm.
some upgrading of head flow and a solid lifter cam is where i would go with that combo.
that being said......it should run 12-something as is.
68 Satellite, 383 with stock 906’s, 3550lbs, 11.18@123
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Re: Help Me Spend $1500 to Go Faster
[Re: fast68plymouth]
#1151938
01/08/12 12:43 AM
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Sounds like you have a great base of parts, now add a FireCore Distributor, Firecore spark plug wires, and a Firecore coil. Cheapest peace of mind you will spend.
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Re: Help Me Spend $1500 to Go Faster
[Re: 67Satty]
#1151939
01/08/12 12:43 AM
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Better check your math again that compression even with zero deck flat tops unless your open chamber heads usually 90+cc's have been milled to around 80cc's. I would buy a set of Stealth's have them looked over good, and upgrade the cam... I built a similar engine for my Cuda, stock 71 440 steel crank, KB 237's which are about .010 in the hole with my deck height, a set of OOTB Steal (82cc)thE heads worked out to be about 9.8:1 or so and the car would run high 12's with stock converter, and 3.31 gears, and a 270/.470 Comp Cam, RPM intake and bg 750 Gold Claw carb. I know without question it would have run well into the 11's with another converter (4K) and old MP solid cam I had laying around.... but the car was a daily driver and actually got 14-15 MPG the way it was! 
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Re: Help Me Spend $1500 to Go Faster
[Re: 67Satty]
#1151940
01/08/12 12:49 AM
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I would go for heads, best bang for the buck. I would go for edelbrocks and do them out of the box.
Brett Miller W9 cnc'd heads
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Re: Help Me Spend $1500 to Go Faster
[Re: Bob_Coomer]
#1151942
01/08/12 02:11 PM
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Vista, California
67Satty
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Better check your math again that compression even with zero deck flat tops unless your open chamber heads usually 90+cc's have been milled to around 80cc's.
I would buy a set of Stealth's have them looked over good, and upgrade the cam...
I built a similar engine for my Cuda, stock 71 440 steel crank, KB 237's which are about .010 in the hole with my deck height, a set of OOTB Steal (82cc)thE heads worked out to be about 9.8:1 or so and the car would run high 12's with stock converter, and 3.31 gears, and a 270/.470 Comp Cam, RPM intake and bg 750 Gold Claw carb.
I know without question it would have run well into the 11's with another converter (4K) and old MP solid cam I had laying around.... but the car was a daily driver and actually got 14-15 MPG the way it was!
I've done online compression ratio calculators and worked out the math with scratch paper 'til I'm blue in the face and I'm pretty confident about my compression ratio, but if you can tell me how you worked the math that it isn't 9.75:1 I'm all ears.
Seems like you should have gone faster than high 12s with aluminum heads in your combo. I had a '72 Challenger with a 426 wedge and stock 906 heads, Torker intake, 750 vac sec that did 12.80s on used-up slicks spinning all the way through first gear. Maybe that makes a good argument for me saving the $1000+ dollars that aluminum heads would cost me. 
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Re: Help Me Spend $1500 to Go Faster
[Re: SG duster]
#1151943
01/08/12 02:13 PM
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Vista, California
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every one is right, it should run 12s now, he should be askin how to spend that $1500 to see 11s
OK, how can I get this thing in the 11s for another $1500? 
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Re: Help Me Spend $1500 to Go Faster
[Re: SG duster]
#1151944
01/08/12 02:18 PM
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Kirkland, Washington
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Any expenditure of $1500 that doesn't replace the iron heads currently on the motor is leaving ET on the table...
Iron heads have been running 10s, 11s & 12s for decades, sure he would pick up on flow but alloy heads will soften his current compression thus reducing the amount of usable cam duration unless of couse the heads get worked, but then theres your budget out the window
Closed chamber stealth heads would "soften his current compression" verses open chamber 452's on the motor now???
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