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Re: 1969 Barracuda M code
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Here's another one from that article and has anyone ever heard this about the K-frame being "relocated" in the M-Code Dart and I guess Cuda? The way I read it is the K-frame was not modified but relocated in the engine compartment. Does that mean bolted in a slightly different position to the chassis? I also think there is little or no room to move the K-frame left or right but only forward or rearward where it is bolted but that would upset the entire driveline even if it was an inch or less, but would that matter? Don't think this is a true statement but.......................what's that "never say never" thing...........   is that a washer under the air cleaner wing nut.......   Meaning the mounts were moved or made to accommodate the 383-440 engine big block. Never saw any difference on the car I had or the extra 69 383k-frame I still have. I’ll check the sb frame I to see if the pass side mount is the same, maybe both were moved. they used a 100% orig 383 K frame.. no mods..
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Re: 1969 Barracuda M code
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i have the special drivers side M code motor mount and bracket avail $1200.00 shipped usa.. if anyone needs one... ORIGINAL
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Re: 1969 Barracuda M code
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Here's another one from that article and has anyone ever heard this about the K-frame being "relocated" in the M-Code Dart and I guess Cuda? The way I read it is the K-frame was not modified but relocated in the engine compartment. Does that mean bolted in a slightly different position to the chassis? I also think there is little or no room to move the K-frame left or right but only forward or rearward where it is bolted but that would upset the entire driveline even if it was an inch or less, but would that matter? Don't think this is a true statement but.......................what's that "never say never" thing........... is that a washer under the air cleaner wing nut....... Meaning the mounts were moved or made to accommodate the 383-440 engine big block. Never saw any difference on the car I had or the extra 69 383k-frame I still have. I’ll check the sb frame I to see if the pass side mount is the same, maybe both were moved. they used a 100% orig 383 K frame.. no mods.. Yes the K-Frames (AFAIK) are the same but the article states "the K-Frame was relocated" not that the K-Frame was modified. As I said I don't think this ever happened just curious if anyone else ever heard of this?
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Re: 1969 Barracuda M code
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Here's another one from that article and has anyone ever heard this about the K-frame being "relocated" in the M-Code Dart and I guess Cuda? The way I read it is the K-frame was not modified but relocated in the engine compartment. Does that mean bolted in a slightly different position to the chassis? I also think there is little or no room to move the K-frame left or right but only forward or rearward where it is bolted but that would upset the entire driveline even if it was an inch or less, but would that matter? Don't think this is a true statement but.......................what's that "never say never" thing........... is that a washer under the air cleaner wing nut....... Meaning the mounts were moved or made to accommodate the 383-440 engine big block. Never saw any difference on the car I had or the extra 69 383k-frame I still have. I’ll check the sb frame I to see if the pass side mount is the same, maybe both were moved. they used a 100% orig 383 K frame.. no mods.. Yes the K-Frames (AFAIK) are the same but the article states "the K-Frame was relocated" not that the K-Frame was modified. As I said I don't think this ever happened just curious if anyone else ever heard of this? Simple as this, no it was not relocated, they are and always were the same 383-440...
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Re: 1969 Barracuda M code
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Just to keep this thread going (and having a little fun with  Jim Jim do you know if the K-Frame was relocated when they put the big blocks in? ...................I think I know the answer but I just was curious why the statement in the '69 test article....and where the heck did that "relocation" remark come from   To the unknowing there were a couple of mods that had to be made to shove the 383 and 440 big blocks into the A-Body versus the /6 and small blocks right? Like the radiator outlet and the oil filter interference, driver's side engine mount and driver's side exhaust manifold...... Mike
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Re: 1969 Barracuda M code
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Just to keep this thread going (and having a little fun with Jim Jim do you know if the K-Frame was relocated when they put the big blocks in? ...................I think I know the answer but I just was curious why the statement in the '69 test article....and where the heck did that "relocation" remark come from To the unknowing there were a couple of mods that had to be made to shove the 383 and 440 big blocks into the A-Body versus the /6 and small blocks right? Like the radiator outlet and the oil filter interference, driver's side engine mount and driver's side exhaust manifold...... Mike And grinding off the second motor mount boss when power steering was made available, and the proportioning valve heat shield, special plug wires, dipstick, and power steering hose and 90 degree adapter. never mind the 893 oil pan and maybe a few other compromises and parts bin scavenging for the 4-speed cars... 
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Re: 1969 Barracuda M code
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I’d like to see one of those 4-speed AC m-code cars.
Every one of those parts mentioned is where the bucks are, car is cheap,
ask me how I know. Needs to be a notch back with a luggage rack......with the 4 wheel disc brake set up...you know the set modified from the Imperial. ............. But seriously .....when I was looking for a 67-69 A body Cuda, I found what was supposed to be an All Original M-code Cuda , had a mod top , seller claimed it still had it's original Dana with 4.88s with the rear disk option... AC 4 speed car , and the guy had the balls to point out on the option plate the "luggage rack option" ......What a Crap show that car was.....the 4 speed was a B/E body long tail trans with a butchered aftermarket Fiberglass 4spd hump..........AC compressor looked like on of those Early 70s Ford single cylinder style not the Vtwin looking Mopar( I know none of the M-code cars came with AC or 4speed) I took my uncle with me ,because he has one, black on black fast back , it's had a 2nd Gen hemi in it since 74....he took one look at the vin plate and told the guy it had to be one with the Time machine option as he pointed out the Torx socket style screws holding the VIn plate and you could see the raised indent where they flattened out the actual engine code letter and re-stamped it with a M. I do have a serious Question , I know all the M-code A bodies were all Autos ...but was there a Dana Option for them ? or is it only the 68 SS/AA A-bodies that got a Dana ? I asked my uncle and he says" I've got no clue and don't care" .
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Re: 1969 Barracuda M code
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I was told that there wasn't a Dana narrow enough to go under the rear of a '69 A-Body and the 4-speed 440 (B-Bodies also) required the Dana rear. Yes, that is why they used a B=Body rear on the 68 Hemi A-Body's. The guy who started the GTS registry had a 69 383 4-speed GTS convertible that had A/C. He bought it new and had the dealer order every part out of the parts book for a 340 Dart and B-Body engine components and had it all installed at the dealership, everything worked perfectly, there was no reason they couldn't have offered it as an option. The only reason that anyone can figure out was they were worried about overheating... 
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Re: 1969 Barracuda M code
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Simple as this, no it was not relocated, they are and always were the same 383-440... Jim, how many different K-frames were there for the '69 A-Bodies..............and how many different (displacement) engines? Sorry for being too lazy to research this  Edit: found these are they correct? Which K-frames were shared? Cid 170 6 cyl 225 318 340 383 440
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Re: 1969 Barracuda M code
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4 k-frames, slant six. 273/318, 340, and 383/440. Though the small block k-frames are pretty much identical, some had the sway bar holes some didn't, meaning if the car came with rally front suspension it would have the holes... 
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Re: 1969 Barracuda M code
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Thanks Jim. Now is there a K-frame in say a B-body that is the same for the big block and small block engines?
One K-frame that would accept the 273, 318, 340, 383, and 440 ?
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Re: 1969 Barracuda M code
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Maybe the 73-up style k-frame, Direct Connection did modify one of those to fit the big block also, and Jim Lusk modifies them also, I believe the drivers side needs moved 3/4"...
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Re: 1969 Barracuda M code
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Thanks Jim. Now is there a K-frame in say a B-body that is the same for the big block and small block engines?
Yes on b-body
A-body
One K-frame that would accept the 273, 318, 340, 383, and 440 ? /6, 273-318-340, 383-440 3 k-frames, I have them all, power ‘nothing’ was available with the 440 and no Dana, 8-3/4 only 3.55 standard ratio, same radiator used for 383-440. Nothing special or extra except 440 and 073 trans (HP GTX type), driver side mount and driver side exhaust manifold. Same 383 exhaust pipes but added a 1” spaced on passenger side between pipe and manifold. 383 Kick down linkage was used. 383 bodies were used (mine still had the 383 fender tag) ac car rear torque plates were added.
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Re: 1969 Barracuda M code
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I am handling the 1969 Barracuda M Code Registry for now. I have all the info now formally Dave Goodwin and Tom Wenstadt
Any car or info let me know
Thanks Dave
Dave do you have a website and a link or did I miss that? Thanks MikeR (#8 M-Code Dart GTS on the GTS registry) Mike, I have been working on getting one. Dave Dave any news on a '69 Dart Registry  Mike
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