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Re: AMD replacement glass
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12/30/11 01:40 AM
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I have never used any 'restoration' glass for Mopars or Brand X. However- I've never heard a good word about any 'restoration' glass: different conversations, different groups of people, Mopar or Brand X, etc. The consensus has always been to reuse OEM glass. Hope this is not the case, but only offering up what I've heard. 
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1970 Super Bee: 383/4 speed, B5/B7
1970 Coronet RT: 440/4 speed, A34, N96
1970 Coronet RT: 440/auto, A36, N96
1970 Road Runner convertible: 383/4 speed TX9/D6XW
1970 GTX: 440+6/727, A32, N96
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Re: AMD replacement glass
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12/30/11 05:57 PM
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I used an tinted AMD kit on my 69 Super Bee coupe. It is a bit wavy on the edges, but it looks good. Its not a high end resto, but a modified driver.
Do you have any visible tempering marks in any of the glass that looks likes white streaks in the tint? Just curious.,
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Re: AMD replacement glass
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12/31/11 05:05 AM
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Just had a clear rear glass put in..AMD product..It was a shame as the car has such low miles but the orig owner ETCHED it with some floral and vines ect that I guess was popular in the late 70s...So far no complaint..Clear as a bell but you have to use a special insulation as the glass is not as thick as the originals...Its better than what AMD had in the beginning but still thinner....I need both sides quarter glass too as the owner etched those too.. 
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Re: AMD replacement glass
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12/31/11 12:06 PM
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If the car is going to be a driver and your not concerned about imperfections wavyness etc, then use the repro glass. If your going for a higher end restoration use OEM glass and have it professionally surfaced to remove the scratches and imperfections. The key with the oem glass is to find glass that has minimal defects because the cost to restore the oem glass is expensive.
logan426
Can you elaborate more on having original glass resurfaced? Never heard of this being done. Who does this and what is the average cost?
When I was building my 71 cuda convertible, It was impossible to find decent glass. I looked for 4 years for door glass and everything I found wasn't worth installing even when it had some imperfections, now keep in mind I'm very picky and my goal with the car was perfection with all parts used even though it is a clone hemi car.
I found NOS convertible tinted quarter glass's new in the boxes, so I had to search out a person to resurface my door glass's the cost 1,500 for a pair so when I say expensive it's expensive but now my door glass are near perfect. After refacing the glass I had Charlie at ECS Concepts re-apply the date codes which was another $150. This is the reason I say you need to find the best pieces you can before going the oem route if you WANT good glass for a high end resto. When a person wants the best for their car the quality stands out on the finished product and it separates a great car from a good car when your finished. I would like to give out my source but the person doesn't want it to be a full time job. I was just fortunate I was friends with a person who knew the guy resurfacing glass. It takes a lot of time and patients to surface glass because they have to surface the entire surface not just the scratches and scrapes to make the glass flat and not wavy.
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Re: AMD replacement glass
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12/31/11 01:56 PM
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I used an tinted AMD kit on my 69 Super Bee coupe. It is a bit wavy on the edges, but it looks good. Its not a high end resto, but a modified driver.
Do you have any visible tempering marks in any of the glass that looks likes white streaks in the tint? Just curious.,
I've seen that on a car with repro glass too.
Is this more of a tinted glass issue though??
Like the clear untinted repro glass doesn't have as many issues???
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Re: AMD replacement glass
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12/31/11 07:54 PM
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I used an tinted AMD kit on my 69 Super Bee coupe. It is a bit wavy on the edges, but it looks good. Its not a high end resto, but a modified driver.
Do you have any visible tempering marks in any of the glass that looks likes white streaks in the tint? Just curious.,
I've seen that on a car with repro glass too.
Is this more of a tinted glass issue though??
Like the clear untinted repro glass doesn't have as many issues???
I think it is a tinted glass issue with the streak marks in the glass. AMD and other glass suppliers have told me that it is normal to have the streaks as they are caused by the tempering process and there is no way to avoid it. My question to them was, If that is the case, then why doesn't the glass from back in the day and current model vehicles have it? No one that I talked to can answer that question  I think the best bet would be to get the clear glass and tint it yourself with tint film before you install it 
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Re: AMD replacement glass
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01/01/12 11:29 AM
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Actually, on newer cars that do not have the blacked out factory tinting in the windows, I do see this occasionally. It almost looks like oil marks that are in the glass, similar to the rainbow you get when you have oil on the ground and it has rained.
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Re: AMD replacement glass
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01/01/12 03:28 PM
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Actually, on newer cars that do not have the blacked out factory tinting in the windows, I do see this occasionally. It almost looks like oil marks that are in the glass, similar to the rainbow you get when you have oil on the ground and it has rained.
Interesting 
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Re: AMD replacement glass
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01/01/12 04:37 PM
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Actually, on newer cars that do not have the blacked out factory tinting in the windows, I do see this occasionally. It almost looks like oil marks that are in the glass, similar to the rainbow you get when you have oil on the ground and it has rained.
Interesting
Somebody just got used to old worn glass and thinks that there shouldn't be any rainbow tempering effect. I actually see it even on refinished headlight lenses that I grind, sand and clearcoat,I know it's not tempered,but at the right angle and lighting the rainbow glare shows on every set of lights that I refinish. I can post some pics if needed.
Every crystal clear tempered glass will have the rainbow marks at certain lighting and angles . If $300k or half million dollar cars have it, I don't think any aftermarket manufacturer would even try to make their glass any better
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Re: AMD replacement glass
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01/02/12 02:49 PM
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My question to them was, If that is the case, then why doesn't the glass from back in the day and current model vehicles have it?
I have taken apart many torinos and cougars that also had the shaded streaks and marks. The old stuff has it too.
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Re: AMD replacement glass
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01/03/12 03:24 PM
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so the marks in the tempered glass is from the tempering process? I see it on ALL new cars when I am wearing polarized sunglasses.
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Re: AMD replacement glass
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01/03/12 07:32 PM
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Hi Guys These are great questions of original versus reproduction glass. We have investigated many of the concerns that are being discussed here. First of all, original glass did have tempering marks just like the newer reproduction glass. The reason for increased tempering marks in today's glass is actually a result of the speed in which it is made. Due to modern upgrades in glass technologies, a larger degree of tempering can be found in the final product. Tempering marks are nothing more than a residual effect of the heating process. We have asked our supplier if they could slow the process down in hopes of eliminating the amount of tempering marks. They cannot change their process because their computer programs are set up for manufacturing glass for new cars. They dedicate one day a month to manufacture the classic car glass. The process for manufacturing in 2012 is much faster than in 1970 so the result is glass that exhibits increased amounts of tempering marks. Contrary to popular opinion, original glass did have tempering marks. See the photos below that show the heat marks in the original clear glass of Project Valiant.  
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Re: AMD replacement glass
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02/21/12 06:24 AM
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Still unclear as to weather new glass is a good choice to go with. I have the original glass and can't determine if it is a better option to spend the money and get it refinished or buy new.
It sounds like if you have the luxury of being able to pick and choose the piece from many new windows you may be able to find a set that is good. What if it is ordered and none of the pieces are of good quality?
I need date coded tinted glass for a cuda. Anyone know of a glass refinisher in the NW?
Thanks
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Re: AMD replacement glass
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02/21/12 10:11 PM
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I am going with good used glass for sides and rear window. I will need a New windshield though, and wondering who has the best available? 69
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