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Re: mo-power series is it done?
[Re: Irun5snd8th]
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12/20/11 08:46 PM
12/20/11 08:46 PM
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Here is my take on the whole situation. First off let me state that I have enjoyed running the Blankenships series. They welcomed me and my family with open arms at every event right from the get go. They made us feel like we had attended every event they ever had even at the first one we went to. They appear to me to be good people and thats the bottom line.
That being said, their series has obviously taken a turn for the worse. Many people are not happy with it on here by the looks of it. My only complaint about the series is the one that will keep me from traveling to the events. That is that you can't pay $50 to get to the semi finals. Its simple math. That barely pays for dinner. If you are depending on traveling racers you are gonna have to have a decent payout. You better be getting dinner money at 16 versus 4. I wont go to a local race 10 minutes from my house if they are paying $50 for semis. These cars and equipment are too expensive to maintain plain and simple. Josh has realized that and made a race (or two) that is worth traveling to and I will support those races for sure.
My only words of advice to the promoters are A: get sponsors so you can guarantee the payout and B put yourself in your racers shoes and think about what its gonna take to get the average Mopar racer to come to your races. 
No disrespect to the OP,,,,but,,,I didn't find.."my first race..treated like I had ran all...etc, etc". QUITE the opposite,,,I was treated like I was an intruder/dumbazz/undesirable/complete idiot/'what/who do you think you are'/first time racer/I don't want you here/etc/etc.....if it goes under,,I will understand and pretty well know why..  
If you like drag racing, support your local track.
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Re: mo-power series is it done?
[Re: WILD BILL]
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12/21/11 12:59 AM
12/21/11 12:59 AM
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Josh, just tell what you know.
The truth is never bashing.
Just the facts
[dragnet] Dum, da dum dum Duuuuum. [/dragnet]
Hey there "Wild Bill". Sometimes the truth is better left unsaid. The facts will be laid out on the table, and only a few insiders will know the real truth, and there will be plenty speculating by the outsiders. Usually all the promoters know each other if they have been around a while. The promoters of the Mo-Power now races have either chosen to not join in on this discussion or have been told not to by someone of authority. That's my 2 cents worth from one of the many banned people of knowlege from "The (former)Chrysler Classics". This year I will be going to "The Chrysler Power Classics",put on by Jeff Johnson.
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Re: mo-power series is it done?
[Re: VernMotor]
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12/21/11 01:50 PM
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Although the questions surrounding these events suck you also have to keep things in perspective. I also go to other brand events and by comparison the Mopar problems are small. The GS Nationals in bowling green last October paid out exactly $0 for 5 bracket classes. The Q16 paid out $1800 but a sponsor paid in $1000 and it was $50 to race in Q16. Frustration with payouts like this had led to the formation of another club with another race. Reportedly the chairman of the club raided the club accounts and it collapsed but was reborn under different leadership after a lawsuit finally worked things out. So as meager as $50 qtrs sound along with the other problems it's worse elsewhere.
With the economy in the tank attendance is down, costs are up, so events are probably going to be suffering for while.
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Re: mo-power series is it done?
[Re: cgall]
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12/21/11 10:24 PM
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Explain to me just how a promoter can not make money at an event when he has sponsers paying for each class pay out and a sponser paying $15,000 to $20,000 ,race cars,show car,car corral,spectaters,venders and swap meet charges as well as tee-shirt and other sales.Usually a track charges a flat rate for the weekend and or a precentage of the gate.   The main issue I see is poor business practices or bad attitudes on the part of the promoters.A lot of track owners would rather have their own events than have to deal with some of the travaling "snake oil salesmen" As I have said many times Jeff and Charlie do more damage to themselves than the economy has done to them.I wish both the best of luck. 
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Re: mo-power series is it done?
[Re: B G Racing]
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12/21/11 10:42 PM
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Explain to me just how a promoter can not make money at an event when he has sponsers paying for each class pay out and a sponser paying $15,000 to $20,000 ,race cars,show car,car corral,spectaters,venders and swap meet charges as well as tee-shirt and other sales.Usually a track charges a flat rate for the weekend and or a precentage of the gate.
The main issue I see is poor business practices or bad attitudes on the part of the promoters.A lot of track owners would rather have their own events than have to deal with some of the travaling "snake oil salesmen"
As I have said many times Jeff and Charlie do more damage to themselves than the economy has done to them.I wish both the best of luck.
Well said Bob.....maybe the taxes get the best of some....if there is a tax on azzholes..
If you like drag racing, support your local track.
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Re: mo-power series is it done?
[Re: B G Racing]
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12/21/11 10:48 PM
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Explain to me just how a promoter can not make money at an event when he has sponsers paying for each class pay out and a sponser paying $15,000 to $20,000 ,race cars,show car,car corral,spectaters,venders and swap meet charges as well as tee-shirt and other sales.Usually a track charges a flat rate for the weekend and or a precentage of the gate.
The main issue I see is poor business practices or bad attitudes on the part of the promoters.A lot of track owners would rather have their own events than have to deal with some of the travaling "snake oil salesmen"
As I have said many times Jeff and Charlie do more damage to themselves than the economy has done to them.I wish both the best of luck.
Could not have been said any better ----
When you run a "series" you have to also consider what the "series" brings in and that is your year. It was NOT a one race event so if they made less at one they could make more at another. Love it how the purse was cut due to car count at one event but did they ever raise it when the car count was way up at another? I think not 
2012 will be a very interesting year to say the least and I will be open to much more then following just a Mopar series.
Russ 
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Re: mo-power series is it done?
[Re: bwdst6]
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12/22/11 01:31 AM
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Why would anyone pay 15-20000 to sponsor a Mopower events race?? Norwalk would be the only event where you could even come close to getting a return on investment.
Now the St. Louis Monster Mopar event did have this kind of sponsor but you would simply need that with what it costs to have the track for a weekend. And that number doesnt even come close to covering the cost of renting the track. Back when the Dragraceresults series ran there like 8 years ago iIt was $30000 to rent it back then. I have heard numbers nearing triple that to rent it now.
As much as I say the promoters need to think about it from a racers standpoint; the racers need to think about it from a promoters standpoint. Think about if you were a sponsor how much you would be willing to throw up for a single event? How much return on investment is there? Same for the race promoter. I guarantee that people like Josh or the Dillmans that run the No Box Nationals have 6 months of work into their races. If I am putting 6 months of stress and work into something I better be capable of clearing $10,000 or it aint worth it. Yeah they love the sport but 6 months of work to make a grand or break even aint worth it. Nor would it be to most of you.
Heck its almost $3000 worth of operating expense at my local track on a Saturday before the purse and Chandler is a dump! From a business perspective its really tough to do.
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Re: mo-power series is it done?
[Re: Irun5snd8th]
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12/22/11 10:51 AM
12/22/11 10:51 AM
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I would say the real problem with the events of today is spectators (the lack of them) the first cc event jj put on had almost the same amount of spectators as the nats.I think it slowly faded away when jj jacked up the vendor fees to the point where he lost allot and when cb took over he just plain pi$$ed them all off and ran them off. Without vendors there will be no spectators, lets face it watching bracket racing is about as exciting as mowing grass.I love it my self but I am a racer,you need spectators to make a show a success and as racers we need to help get it jump started again.I bring all the people with me I can, anyone I can talk into going then I try to make sure they have a great time,big bbq parties after the race,beer,fish fries ect ect. If we all do a little it will help allot. we also need to keep a open mind about attractions these promoters come up with.Like maybe a little modern muscle throw down with other brands welcome,old nito cars all brands,A run what you brung class w/20000 to win.What ever it takes to bring in the people and fill the stands. Not trying to start a argument just spit balling Ideas, it can only go up from here and if we all help push it will go allot faster. 
God made cold beer,good friends,hot ladies and race cars don't spit in his face by pi$$ing and moaning about how life sucks!!!
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Re: mo-power series is it done?
[Re: Super Scamp]
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12/22/11 03:56 PM
12/22/11 03:56 PM
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Amen to that, Scamp, local radio ads will help, so will free/discount tickets at the parts stores, how about a display of Max Wedge cars at the local mega-supermarket, get a radio station to do a live broadcast from the track on Friday. Lots of great inexpensive ways to get the word out and draw in spectators. The Mopar races already have the car show, swap meet, and drag races that people will come in to see if they hear about it.
One year CB had a CC race at Edgewater, a few weeks later I was wearing my event shirt and a guy pitted next to me at a Saturday night bracket race, he had a NSS Belvedere. He asked me where I got the shirt, he never heard of CC or knew of the race at Edgewater.
Getting the word out about your race is easier than ever, with this site, Brackettalk, FB, and other freebies. To my knowledge, CB has done "none of the above". EB came on here a few times to answer questions, but it was very little info and was a long time ago.
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Re: mo-power series is it done?
[Re: Super Scamp]
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12/22/11 05:56 PM
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Advertisement on the radio stations like the old days SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY AT DETROIT DRAGWAY MOPAR SHOW DOWN.  Yeah Baby.. We/Us as Bruce put it can do are part to bring the crowd in. Spread the word.. 
Hey there Super Scamp, Check out my web site www.sledcityevents.com , and you will here Sunday Sunday Sunday on my radio ad from last yrars "Spring Nostalgia Nationals". This 2nd annual race is scheduled for June 23-24,2012 and is open to all 1977 and older cars. 68% of the entries are Mopars because this is Mopar country here at National Trail Raceway. We have sportsman ns/s, gassers, f/x classes, pro, super pro, and of course the Bad Boys See Ya There ! 
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Re: mo-power series is it done?
[Re: Irun5snd8th]
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12/22/11 09:17 PM
12/22/11 09:17 PM
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Why would anyone pay 15-20000 to sponsor a Mopower events race?? Norwalk would be the only event where you could even come close to getting a return on investment.
Maybe it's not always about the money.BGR and Associates have sponsered the Curt George Memorial Race for the last 7 years,6 with the CC/MoPower involvment.We will sponser it again this year.It's about honoring Curt's legesy and honoring all that attend this event.Somethings you can't put a price on,that this race continues to grow with the support and attendence is priceless.We could honor Curt in many other venues like an heavy equipment rodeo,but his love for dragracing Mopars and all his racing friends and family make the choise of having this event only natural and easy.
Buy having a sponser put up enough money to cover the cost there would be no reason for event not to profit.
Respectfully
Bob
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