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408 W2 cam question #1115060
11/16/11 02:29 PM
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About to have a 408 W2 motor built and I'm looking for some opinions. Looking at a mill in the 530hp range for my 69 Dart.
The cam that has been suggested is approx .600 lift 252/256 flat tappet, solid. Will be running 3500-4000 stall w/3:55.

My main concern is streetability since that is what the car does 99% of the time(weekend/nice weather cruiser). Anyone have experience with a stroker small block and a cam in this range? How was it on the street?

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Re: 408 W2 cam question [Re: racerx20] #1115061
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I have the .557" solid purple cam in 408 W2 motor, and its very street friendly but with lots of attitude when you give some pedal. Cubes eats duration, and the specs you have posted looks pretty good even though it has a little more duration than I am running, you have plenty of convertor. What do your heads flow? All depends what your willing to tolerate and how good your induction meters fuel and controls timing. You would be amazed at what you can get away with if you run efi or a really desent carb.

I just rebuilt mine and the girdle is going on this week, and the heads over the weekend. LMK if your interested. I was thinking of going to a low deck big block...


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Re: 408 W2 cam question [Re: racerx20] #1115062
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Quote:

About to have a 408 W2 motor built and I'm looking for some opinions. Looking at a mill in the 530hp range for my 69 Dart.
The cam that has been suggested is approx .600 lift 252/256 flat tappet, solid. Will be running 3500-4000 stall w/3:55.

My main concern is streetability since that is what the car does 99% of the time(weekend/nice weather cruiser). Anyone have experience with a stroker small block and a cam in this range? How was it on the street?

530 hp out of a 408 w/W2's will not take anywhere near those cam duration specs. Try something a little smaller like 242/244 with .600+ on a 108 LSA should easily meet your goals and be VERY streetable. You list streetability as your main concern. J.Rob

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Re: 408 W2 cam question [Re: Dragula] #1115063
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What do your heads flow?




Not sure just yet they will be sent to the builder for stage 1 port work and will be flowed there.


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Re: 408 W2 cam question [Re: RAMM] #1115064
11/16/11 05:23 PM
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530 hp out of a 408 w/W2's will not take anywhere near those cam duration specs. Try something a little smaller like 242/244 with .600+ on a 108 LSA should easily meet your goals and be VERY streetable. You list streetability as your main concern. J.Rob






I'll check into that, thanks.


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Re: 408 W2 cam question [Re: racerx20] #1115065
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I strongly suggest contacting Dwayne Porter (Porter Racing Heads). He posts here on Moparts. He's ported two sets of W2 heads for me for use on stroker motors (392 and 416 cubes), and also supplied a custom Comp Cam as well. He's one of the best in the business. I'd be interested to hear what he has to say about the cam you mention above. My 392 is an 11:1 compression motor and I'm running 4.56 gears, 29" tire, and 3" exhaust. Cam is a .581" (no access to cam card and I don't recall duration).

Your 3.55 gears and 99% street use makes me think that your cam might be too big. My car is 75% track car and I will tell you that it's not a lot of fun to drive on the street. The engine is too much for the street. I would be concerned that your car would run like a dog with those gears but have the street manners of my car; a lose-lose situation.

Call Dwayne to sanity check your combo and port your heads. He provides before and after intake and exhaust flow numbers (avg). He ported my heads to flow just under 300 cfm. The key is velocity, not "big numbers" when you're talking about a street car. If I recall, he goes by FAST68PLYMOUTH here on moparts.

Re: 408 W2 cam question [Re: Danan] #1115066
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To continue my post above:

If all you want is a street engine, why do you want to run W2 heads? They are way too expensive (heads, offset rockers, special rocker shafts, etc) if you aren't going to utilize the flow that they offer.

My suggestion for a street engine would be 408" shortblock with 10:1 actual compression, out of the box edelbrock heads, a Comp Cams .525" solid cam, and a six pack induction. You could sell your W2s and valve gear and recoup money to buy the Edelbrocks/valve gear.

To save money, you could always throw a 750 vacuum secondary Holley on there with a modern single plane manifold.

I'd still suggest 3.91 gears, and your converter sounds good so long as it's a high quality (read: efficient) unit. Having the local hack shop "bend the fins" to increase the stall at the expense of efficiency is NOT the answer.

Naturally, you'll want to run quality headers and 2.5" exhaust.

You would be far more happy with the above combo (or one similar to it) than you would be with what you described above, in my opinion..

Re: 408 W2 cam question [Re: Danan] #1115067
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I just had Brian at IMM motor machine bolt together a 408 street motor with W2 heads for my dart.
I went with a small solid roller that Brian recomended it is .240-.244@ .050 with .630 lift with 1.6 rocker arms.
This is a street car that is also my work car in the winter, I am also driving it to Vegas this weekend.
The motor made 552 HP at 6500RPMs. I am running a 3.73 gear, 904 trans with a 4000 stall 9.5 converter.
Looking forward to taking it to the track soon.

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Re: 408 W2 cam question [Re: Danan] #1115068
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To continue my post above:

If all you want is a street engine, why do you want to run W2 heads? They are way too expensive (heads, offset rockers, special rocker shafts, etc) if you aren't going to utilize the flow that they offer.

My suggestion for a street engine would be 408" shortblock with 10:1 actual compression, out of the box edelbrock heads, a Comp Cams .525" solid cam, and a six pack induction. You could sell your W2s and valve gear and recoup money to buy the Edelbrocks/valve gear.

To save money, you could always throw a 750 vacuum secondary Holley on there with a modern single plane manifold.

I'd still suggest 3.91 gears, and your converter sounds good so long as it's a high quality (read: efficient) unit. Having the local hack shop "bend the fins" to increase the stall at the expense of efficiency is NOT the answer.

Naturally, you'll want to run quality headers and 2.5" exhaust.

You would be far more happy with the above combo (or one similar to it) than you would be with what you described above, in my opinion..





I sure wish Chevy and Ford guys had ideas like this, It would be much easier to kick butts.

Re: 408 W2 cam question [Re: Danan] #1115069
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To continue my post above:

If all you want is a street engine, why do you want to run W2 heads? They are way too expensive (heads, offset rockers, special rocker shafts, etc) if you aren't going to utilize the flow that they offer.






B/C I want a street car that will go like stink at the track. W2 cost is a non-issue as I already own all the parts (complete heads/rockers/intake etc). Thanks for your input!


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Re: 408 W2 cam question [Re: Darryls-Demon] #1115070
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I just had Brian at IMM motor machine bolt together a 408 street motor with W2 heads for my dart.
I went with a small solid roller that Brian recomended it is .240-.244@ .050 with .630 lift with 1.6 rocker arms.
This is a street car that is also my work car in the winter, I am also driving it to Vegas this weekend.
The motor made 552 HP at 6500RPMs. I am running a 3.73 gear, 904 trans with a 4000 stall 9.5 converter.
Looking forward to taking it to the track soon.




Great looking Dart! I am sure it's a beast!


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Re: 408 W2 cam question [Re: Darryls-Demon] #1115071
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I just had Brian at IMM motor machine bolt together a 408 street motor with W2 heads for my dart.
I went with a small solid roller that Brian recomended it is .240-.244@ .050 with .630 lift with 1.6 rocker arms.
This is a street car that is also my work car in the winter, I am also driving it to Vegas this weekend.
The motor made 552 HP at 6500RPMs. I am running a 3.73 gear, 904 trans with a 4000 stall 9.5 converter.
Looking forward to taking it to the track soon.





Just to update:
Darryl indeed drove his car to Vegas and back for the SCSN race, then drove it back and forth to work, for 2 weeks until he felt he had the ultra 950 dialed in.
Then he took it to the track yesterday and went 11.30-118.3


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