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69' 273 cast or forged crank? #110773
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I was talking to a friend and he said he has a 1969 273 long block and that the crak in it would also fit in a 1972 340 engine I had. Long story short, I want to build my 340 and get rid of the cast crank just for extra insurance. I was sure 273's went to a cast crank in 69'. I would just get the engine, but my friend said no dissassembly, pick it up and take it away.

Is it worth the hassel? Maybe if the crank is forged.Oh, it's a two barrel, low milage driver motor that was swapped out for a 360. Any info?

Re: 69' 273 cast or forged crank? [Re: migsBIG] #110774
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Steel. If you don't know how to tell by looking, hit the end where the flexplate bolts lightly with a hammer, if it's a cast crank it willl make a thud, steel will ringgggggggg. All 273's had steel cranks.

Re: 69' 273 cast or forged crank? [Re: kenworth_goose] #110775
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Steel. If you don't know how to tell by looking, hit the end where the flexplate bolts lightly with a hammer, if it's a cast crank it willl make a thud, steel will ringgggggggg. All 273's had steel cranks.


I thought all cranks were steel!

Re: 69' 273 cast or forged crank? [Re: kenworth_goose] #110776
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273's and 318's had forged cranks through 67; 68 and later have cast cranks.

Re: 69' 273 cast or forged crank? [Re: kenworth_goose] #110777
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413coronet is correct.


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.... All 273's had steel cranks....




A very popular misconception. I thought so too.

I have seen charts that show cast crank part numbers for 273's starting in 68.

I owned a 69 273 that was a cast crank, much to my dissapointment. (that got me looking in to it a little more)

Here is a bit of the chart. I believe it has appeared in couple of different books.

year cid material cast#/forge#

64-67 273 forged 2128278, 2128869, 2205700

68-69 273 cast 2658268, 2658393

67-73 318 cast 2658278, 2658393

74-86 318 cast 2658278, 2658393, 3462387
2658391

68-72 340 forged 2532457, 2843868

73 340 cast 3462387

71-86 360 cast 3418640, 3418641, 3418642

Re: 69' 273 cast or forged crank? [Re: migsBIG] #110778
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Don't be upset when you find a cast crank in there. 69 273 cast.

Re: 69' 273 cast or forged crank? [Re: migsBIG] #110779
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The center of the crank register where the converter hub slides in is smaller on 273's, so if your running a auto you may have problems.

Re: 69' 273 cast or forged crank? [Re: copchaser] #110780
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Thank you all for the info. IT's good to know that. HE wanter $150 for it, now I know it's not worth that without the crank I wanted.

Re: 69' 273 cast or forged crank? [Re: migsBIG] #110781
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A '69 273 is a free engine in my book. Heck, most 318s are too. I have a free 73 318 under the workbench and a free '87 318 on a hoist in the back yard. Could'a bought another mid-'80s teen for $50 last year, I slept on the deal.
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Re: 69' 273 cast or forged crank? [Re: copchaser] #110782
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The center of the crank register where the converter hub slides in is smaller on 273's, so if your running a auto you may have problems.




Only on 67 and earlier


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Re: 69' 273 cast or forged crank? [Re: 69L78Nova] #110783
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Also not limited to 273s, right?

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Re: 69' 273 cast or forged crank? [Re: 69L78Nova] #110784
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The center of the crank register where the converter hub slides in is smaller on 273's, so if your running a auto you may have problems.




Only on 67 and earlier




And only on passenger cars, the 273 used in pre-'68 A100 vans/trucks was mated to a 727 so it had to have the larger register. I suspect they just used 318 cranks in the 273 A100's.


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Re: 69' 273 cast or forged crank? [Re: John_Kunkel] #110785
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Cast crank = lighter rotating assembly?

Spins up faster?

273?

Slant?

"Cast please!"


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Re: 69' 273 cast or forged crank? [Re: Rug_Trucker] #110786
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As there are no balance differences between a 273/318 forged and cast crank one CANNOT be lighter than the other, counterweights must be the same because the rods and pistons are the same weight. If there are differences they are so minor as to be inconsequential.

For anything less than a high rev drag race motor either forged or cast 273 or 318 crank is up to the task.

For anyone hoping to build a high-hp 340 the first thing to do is to GET RID of those 720-gram stock pistons and stick some 450-gram pistons in the holes.

R.

Re: 69' 273 cast or forged crank? [Re: dogdays] #110787
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As there are no balance differences between a 273/318 forged and cast crank one CANNOT be lighter than the other, counterweights must be the same because the rods and pistons are the same weight. If there are differences they are so minor as to be inconsequential.

For anything less than a high rev drag race motor either forged or cast 273 or 318 crank is up to the task.

For anyone hoping to build a high-hp 340 the first thing to do is to GET RID of those 720-gram stock pistons and stick some 450-gram pistons in the holes.

R.




That's what I'm building, a late 1972 340. I am putting in some nice, low weight pistons and I beam rods, just wanted the extr insurance of a forged crank. Car weights 4100 with me and a full tank of gas. With the better crank, I won't get too wooried when I stab the throttle.

Re: 69' 273 cast or forged crank? [Re: migsBIG] #110788
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I suggest that you go and have a look at it. I had a 69 273 with a steel crank in it (also came with a cast single plane 4bbl, intake). Another way to differentiate between a cast crank and a steel one is to look at the parting lines, steel is wide, 1/2" or so while cast is thin. One thing that I noticed with that crank was that it had a significant amount of lightening work done to the counterweights. Never say never with Ma.

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Re: 69' 273 cast or forged crank? [Re: migsBIG] #110789
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That's what I'm building, a late 1972 340. I am putting in some nice, low weight pistons and I beam rods, just wanted the extr insurance of a forged crank. Car weights 4100 with me and a full tank of gas. With the better crank, I won't get too wooried when I stab the throttle.



Not to worry at either. we sold a great many 2 ton farm trucks with 318's in them and they hauled 350+ bushels of wheat (at 60 lbs. bu.) out of the fields and down the roads and didn't break any crankshafts.

Re: 69' 273 cast or forged crank? [Re: MoparforLife] #110790
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The stock forged cranks were made of 1053 steel.
Most new forged steel race cranks are made of
4340 steel which are 80% stronger than the older
1053 cranks. The 273 forged cranks would be stronger than the cast cranks and would be
plenty strong for a street build. toolmanmike

Re: 69' 273 cast or forged crank? [Re: toolmanmike] #110791
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As always, thanks guys for some good answers.

Re: 69' 273 cast or forged crank? [Re: MoparforLife] #110792
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That's what I'm building, a late 1972 340. I am putting in some nice, low weight pistons and I beam rods, just wanted the extr insurance of a forged crank. Car weights 4100 with me and a full tank of gas. With the better crank, I won't get too wooried when I stab the throttle.



Not to worry at either. we sold a great many 2 ton farm trucks with 318's in them and they hauled 350+ bushels of wheat (at 60 lbs. bu.) out of the fields and down the roads and didn't break any crankshafts.





Hey Don....I always wondered this, and I'll bet you know The 318 engines in some Dodge trucks had what has always been called the 318-III truck crank in them, and it was supposed to be better than a forged 340 crank. Would pickups have the motor with that crank, or was it just big trucks like you talked about in your above reply?

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