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Just did the power steering shim trick
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10/16/11 05:29 PM
10/16/11 05:29 PM
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Kirkland, Washington
Pacnorthcuda
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Ok, I finally did the Mopar Action (Ehrenberger?) trick with my power steering pump:
440 'Cuda, Fast ratio pitman, Small Steering wheel (Tuff). One would think the steering wouldn't be TOO light---wrong--way too light for my tastes.
So I yard the pump and remove the piston, take it apart. The washer under the hex measures .030. I make one that measures .053 and add it. Test drive car--had I not known I changed it I would never have felt a difference. MAYBE it was a little firmer, MAYBE a little.
I decide to do it again, I make another washer that measures .056 and add it. The total is now .139. Test drive car--its better!!! Just a little firmer, but a better overall feel.
Glad I did it, thank you E-booger and Mopar Action!
Making the washers is easy, just find one with the right ID and sandwich it between two nuts on a 3/8" bolt--then grind it down on your bench grinder till the OD measures .500".
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Re: Just did the power steering shim trick
[Re: Pacnorthcuda]
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10/16/11 07:29 PM
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Lincoln Nebraska
RapidRobert
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You kept the OE washer & added the addt'l (2) right? What was the ID of em? Thanks for the info.
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Re: Just did the power steering shim trick
[Re: RapidRobert]
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10/16/11 07:35 PM
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You kept the OE washer & added the addt'l (2) right? What was the ID of em? Thanks for the info.
Right--3 washers totaling .139. I never miked the ID--I just rummaged around till I found some that fit, but its a little over 3/8"
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Re: Just did the power steering shim trick
[Re: Strawdawg]
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10/16/11 10:30 PM
10/16/11 10:30 PM
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Lincoln Nebraska
RapidRobert
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Thanks Dawg I'll make a note of those #'s
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Re: Just did the power steering shim trick
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11/03/11 11:13 AM
11/03/11 11:13 AM
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Marlboro, NY, USA
Rick_Ehrenberg
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Glad I did it, thank you E-booger and Mopar Action!
Making the washers is easy, just find one with the right ID and sandwich it between two nuts on a 3/8" bolt--then grind it down on your bench grinder till the OD measures .500".
You're welcome! I have now done this on about 10 cars and it has never failed to amaze.
Several guys have mentioned that copper sealing washers (brake hose, etc.), from the parts store or in those Chinese assortments, are available in an ideal size.
Firm Feel's lower pitman support kit, and needle bearing idler kit (both developed by  ) are also equally amazing upgrades.
Rick E.
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Re: Just did the power steering shim trick
[Re: Devil]
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11/03/11 09:36 PM
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Rick_Ehrenberg
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I wonder, with this improvement, the ones Ehrenberg mentioned above and a setup like Hotchkis sells for our Mopars. I wonder how it would make our cars handle. I would love to try it out on a stock car, then do it with the upgraded one...
Ryan
Hotchkis gives up a lot of brake anti-dive (which it exchanges for improved camber gain). Under some conditions, this can result in bottomed suspension (esp. if car is lowered), which equals infinite spring rate, which equals massive understeer, which equals...bang!
Rick
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Re: Just did the power steering shim trick
[Re: Rick_Ehrenberg]
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11/04/11 12:00 PM
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Chicago, Illinois
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I wonder, with this improvement, the ones Ehrenberg mentioned above and a setup like Hotchkis sells for our Mopars. I wonder how it would make our cars handle. I would love to try it out on a stock car, then do it with the upgraded one...
Ryan
Hotchkis gives up a lot of brake anti-dive (which it exchanges for improved camber gain). Under some conditions, this can result in bottomed suspension (esp. if car is lowered), which equals infinite spring rate, which equals massive understeer, which equals...bang!
Rick
That's interesting. I will need to read up more on this. What do you feel would provide a good performance setup?
I've read all the mods done to the Green Brick, the Road Runner over the years. What do you feel would be a good all around setup for our cars?
Thank you,
Ryan
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Re: Just did the power steering shim trick
[Re: Devil]
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11/04/11 09:50 PM
11/04/11 09:50 PM
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Sarcoxie, MO, USA
MoPar Jamie
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Another thing you can do is tear apart a couple stock pumps and ge the shims from them. Thats what I did for my old '87. Didnt bump it up much but I felt somewhat of a difference.
Since there isnt any known firm feel boxes for these trucks I'll take all I can.
- MoPar Jamie
1972 Fury III 4dr
1986 D-150 LWB Royal SE
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Re: Just did the power steering shim trick
[Re: Rick_Ehrenberg]
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11/09/11 09:16 PM
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I wonder, with this improvement, the ones Ehrenberg mentioned above and a setup like Hotchkis sells for our Mopars. I wonder how it would make our cars handle. I would love to try it out on a stock car, then do it with the upgraded one...
Ryan
Hotchkis gives up a lot of brake anti-dive (which it exchanges for improved camber gain). Under some conditions, this can result in bottomed suspension (esp. if car is lowered), which equals infinite spring rate, which equals massive understeer, which equals...bang!
Rick
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