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Re: mopars and X275 [Re: 6PAK70CUDA] #1095152
10/19/11 09:38 PM
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His 588 aint a low deck.LOL
One of my buddys this past weekend in georgia went 4.94 in a 02 camaro 565bbc dart pro 1 345cc heads nothing special. On a 44 jet with the foggers split and a ton of launch retard and gear retard. Anymore nitrous and will have to go back to a progressive but I think a BB has to have at least a 44-48 jet to run good.






I'm a little out of date on the nitrous setups: what is a split fogger? Does it still count as one system then? I get the launch retard and gear retard, pretty self-explanatory.







When you split systems you. Will leave on the driver side 4 nozzles and turn on the passenger side nozzles with a timer. A ton easier to manage power than everything turning on at once.


One day I will have something cool here.
Re: mopars and X275 [Re: DusterMel] #1095153
10/19/11 09:50 PM
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I of course saw that episode,car looks killa..sounds just like mine,when it spun i was like damn,i wanted to see it hook. best of luck w what u do AndyB

Re: mopars and X275 [Re: fishy340] #1095154
10/19/11 10:36 PM
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I of course saw that episode,car looks killa..sounds just like mine,when it spun i was like damn,i wanted to see it hook. best of luck w what u do AndyB



Thanks!! Cool video of your car!


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Re: mopars and X275 [Re: Gary Robbins] #1095155
10/20/11 12:10 AM
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Gettin touchy there old man. I just asked how fast do you think you can go? Where in any of that am I trying to start an argument. Did you notice the question mark at the end?




No worries here ...It takes a lot more than a young pup on the net to rile me up To answer your question:Grudge racing,weighing as lite as we can, we hope 4.80'S...28X10.5 we have to weigh from 3000# to 3200# around here and shooting for 4.90'S to 5.00'S...275 radial we'll just have to see as we've never been on radials but we do like to test.Looking at the tire it looks the same size as the 28X10.5 we run,but i understand it will be a hole new world..........




Radials are faster than slicks...its proven...
They may be a lil hard to get down bad tracks, but trust me, IF you try them and have sucess....you aint going back to a slick..

You have plenty of "tools" to get your car down a track with radials...AND be faster than a slick.
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Re: mopars and X275 [Re: n20mstr] #1095156
10/20/11 05:46 PM
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Radials are faster than slicks...its proven...
They may be a lil hard to get down bad tracks, but trust me, IF you try them and have sucess....you aint going back to a slick..

You have plenty of "tools" to get your car down a track with radials...AND be faster than a slick.
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You may be right, We're sure going to give it a try...BTW which radial do you run.Already have some m/t's,but the top runners seem to prefer hoosiers.........

Re: mopars and X275 [Re: Gary Robbins] #1095157
10/20/11 06:36 PM
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Radials are faster than slicks...its proven...
They may be a lil hard to get down bad tracks, but trust me, IF you try them and have sucess....you aint going back to a slick..

You have plenty of "tools" to get your car down a track with radials...AND be faster than a slick.
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You may be right, We're sure going to give it a try...BTW which radial do you run.Already have some m/t's,but the top runners seem to prefer hoosiers.........



I definitely agree Radials are faster! I run 315 Hoosiers on mine. I'm just an all motor small block and I've been 1.22 60


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Re: mopars and X275 [Re: DusterMel] #1095158
10/20/11 07:08 PM
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i run Hoosier 295's
they are a lot easier to get down a crappy track than the MT's
they are lighter than the MT too.
I have been almost identical times on both tires so in good conditions there really is no difference....

Whatever tire you use, they dont like wheelie bars...LOL
Hit the bars too hard and you going to get some crazy tire shake,

You will be fine, i bet you running well on them in no time


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Re: mopars and X275 [Re: n20mstr] #1095159
10/21/11 09:35 PM
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Re: mopars and X275 [Re: Get-X] #1095160
10/22/11 02:37 PM
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Well, to run out front nationally you have to run 4.80 1/8 miles and to do that you need to make 1500+ hp at x275 weight. BES built chevy BB's with big chief heads are getting it done, but Mopars can't run Predators or PS Hemi heads. Max effort BES 11* big chiefs flow 556 cfm @1". That is as much as my Hemi99 flows, yet the Hemi head is outlawed. Predators flow less and aren't legal either. So you're faced with trying to use a B1-MC or PSO, which is like 470 cfm.

I personally believe the smallblock n2o combo would be a better package. A good w8/9 purpose built, max effort nitrous engine could compete with SBF SBC engines. The smallblock isn't that far behind the BB in hp and gets to weigh a lot less. The sb runs @2950, can use any induction and multiple carbs and as many kits as you want. The bb runs @3250 lbs, can only run a cast manifold with a single carb and one kit only.




No Big Chief heads allowed. That was a "conventional" BBC head engine.

I was talking to the guy that built Shelly Smiths X275 SBC thats been low 4.90's - he seems to think a small block mopar with forced induction could be very competitive. The problem is there's only one or two people in the country willing to spend the $$ it takes. The mopar crowd is notoriously cheap when it comes to top shelf builds...


Cruiser: 66 Dodge Coronet 500, Indy SR 440, Gen 7 Accel EFI = 11.38 @ 116.
Racing: Brand X, X275 Procharged Smallblock on M1, Leafsprings, Holley EFI = 4.30 @ 168

Re: mopars and X275 [Re: j.mcconnell] #1095161
10/22/11 06:03 PM
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Hey cold85, whats going on with your front fender there in the pic ? Is it pulling away from the body because of body twist? Fiberglass front end I'm guessing?

Re: mopars and X275 [Re: WO23Coronet] #1095162
10/27/11 10:31 AM
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Hey cold85, whats going on with your front fender there in the pic ? Is it pulling away from the body because of body twist? Fiberglass front end I'm guessing?



Has a fastener underneath that i think came loose on the bottom

Re: mopars and X275 [Re: cold85] #1095163
10/28/11 07:13 PM
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So would a turbo R4/P5 motor in a Dragpak be legal anywhere but Georgia? What rear suspension comes in a 2011 Dragpak? Sears rules say no 4 links period! Atleast I thought that's how it read!


2010 Toxic Orange Challenger built by B and B Racecars! All aluminum R4/P5 engine, Proformance TH400 (3 speed) tranny, full Reid case, nodular 9" rearend, full Dragpak suspension, Protorque custom converter, BS3, PTE 85mm turbo, fire core wires, carbon doors, carbon front clip, and a whole lot more!
Re: mopars and X275 [Re: W8n2DustU] #1095164
10/28/11 07:51 PM
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So would a turbo R4/P5 motor in a Dragpak be legal anywhere but Georgia? What rear suspension comes in a 2011 Dragpak? Sears rules say no 4 links period! Atleast I thought that's how it read!


I don't see how he could say that because the class is almost all mustangs and they are 4 links


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Re: mopars and X275 [Re: W8n2DustU] #1095165
10/28/11 08:16 PM
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So would a turbo R4/P5 motor in a Dragpak be legal anywhere but Georgia? What rear suspension comes in a 2011 Dragpak? Sears rules say no 4 links period! Atleast I thought that's how it read!




Here is John's answer about the Drag Pac suspension when I pm'ed him on YB a while back. Not sure, but I believe they allow canted valve smallblock heads with a weight penalty:

Hey Marc,

Thanks for the interest in X275. The stock type Hemi in the late model Challenger is legal, the Old Style Hemi however is not legal on the BB combos. I'm pretty sure Dodge has come out with the Drag Pac rear suspension kit for the Challenger to replace the IRS and that would be legal since it's available from the manufacture on a car sold to the public. You would retain the stock suspension weight with that configuration.

John
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Blower - 4.89
Turbo- 4.90
SB NOS- 4.89
BB NOS- 4.88

I would say the rules are pretty close.


KEEP X275 ALIVE!! SAY NO TO OUTLAW 275JOHN@X275.


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Re: mopars and X275 [Re: Get-X] #1095166
10/28/11 09:59 PM
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Thanks for the interest in X275. The stock type Hemi in the late model Challenger is legal, the Old Style Hemi however is not legal on the BB combos. I'm pretty sure Dodge has come out with the Drag Pac rear suspension kit for the Challenger to replace the IRS and that would be legal since it's available from the manufacture on a car sold to the public. You would retain the stock suspension weight with that configuration.

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4 sec club by power adder up to date top 8 average.

Blower - 4.89
Turbo- 4.90
SB NOS- 4.89
BB NOS- 4.88

I would say the rules are pretty close.


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that could be HUGE!

did you talk to Mike Marty?

Re: mopars and X275 [Re: cold85] #1095167
10/28/11 10:19 PM
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Hey cold85, whats going on with your front fender there in the pic ? Is it pulling away from the body because of body twist? Fiberglass front end I'm guessing?



Has a fastener underneath that i think came loose on the bottom




PM me an email and I'll send you my video of that pass from near the finish line,


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Re: mopars and X275 [Re: W5Dart378] #1095168
10/29/11 12:59 AM
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PM me an email and I'll send you my video of that pass from near the finish line,





Dang! that aint right! I wanna see it too!

Re: mopars and X275 [Re: W8n2DustU] #1095169
10/29/11 08:43 AM
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So would a turbo R4/P5 motor in a Dragpak be legal anywhere but Georgia? What rear suspension comes in a 2011 Dragpak? Sears rules say no 4 links period! Atleast I thought that's how it read!



As long as. John says it is fine u are okay if he says no just put ladder bars under it.

Re: mopars and X275 [Re: bdaz smblk] #1095170
10/30/11 03:29 AM
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So would a turbo R4/P5 motor in a Dragpak be legal anywhere but Georgia? What rear suspension comes in a 2011 Dragpak? Sears rules say no 4 links period! Atleast I thought that's how it read!


I don't see how he could say that because the class is almost all mustangs and they are 4 links




Because they come from the factory that way.

And they are not a 100% true 4-link like you would see installed after -market but they damn sure work like 1 !!!!!

Like I stated above. Some classes / rule makers have started looking the other way when it comes to some things.

If in doubt always helps to ask the Guys that actually make and write the rules.

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Goss' car is carrying a brand-new, 478 c.i. billet-block Gen III Hemi outfitted with a ProCharger blower and 16 individual FuelTech coils connected to two spark plugs per cylinder, as the Drag Pak Challenger Gen III heads come from the factory.

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