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Re: Subframe connectors, which way should we [Re: A990] #1081
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Sweet! Thanks, Ken.


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Re: Subframe connectors, which way shoul [Re: Molloy] #1082
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'nother pic from the top:



Are you stick welding that or flux core welding it.I see the slag hammer,just wondering.

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Hey Malloy, what type of welding equipment do you use? What do you recommend if using 110VAC service?




I use a Miller Synchrowave 180 (cheapie TIG, if there is such a thing).

I think Miller and Lincoln both make nice equipment. I would push for more than 110V service if you plan to do more than body work. I used to run an extention cord from my dryer hookup to the garage for welding. But that left the door ajar, and one night a possum got into the house -- After trying to coax the thing outside for ~2 hours, I ended up shooting the possum with a .223 round in the kitchen. After that, I had my garage rewired for 220V and left the door shut.

Re: Subframe connectors, which way should we [Re: Molloy] #1084
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I had the same kind of thing happen with a coon once. He got under the house and wouldn't stay still, he kept me up all night. I got fed up and went down there and shined him and blasted his head off with a 20gauge. Problem was, he was tucked way back into the shallow end of the crawl space and I couldn't get him out. A week later, the sucker started to really smell. Luckily, my lease was up and I moved out. I love renting!

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I use a lincoln 3200HD from "the depot" (120v) it was on sale for $400. same as the 135 model, but it doesn't have a variable temp, instead it has 4 heat settings. I've used the millermatic 135 as well, and would say they are equal. my guy at AGA gas prefers the lincoln and says his customers have better luck with them over the miller.

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Re: Subframe connectors, which way shoul [Re: Molloy] #1086
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does this get it the way of the front seat's?

Re: Subframe connectors, which way should we [Re: ZIPPY] #1087
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Should I weld in the subframe connectors on my Ebody before or after I rip out the floor pan?
Does it make a huge difference, if the pan is going to be fabricated later anyway?

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Wow this thread came back from the dead again?

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does this get it the way of the front seat's?




No, not at all. It sits under the seat but doesn't affect the movement of the tracks or anything like that. Basically sits right between the tracks.

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Should I weld in the subframe connectors on my Ebody before or after I rip out the floor pan?
Does it make a huge difference, if the pan is going to be fabricated later anyway?




I would get the floor welded in first, then measure/mark where the SFC is going to go, then do the SFCs. That way you can keep the gap to the floorpan tight.

If you put the SFC's in first, it could be done that way but it will be alot harder to mark where everything goes, keep the gaps tight and cut accurately. Or at least it would be harder for me.



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Re: Subframe connectors, which way should we [Re: ZIPPY] #1089
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Before I forget again, let me attach the 2 pics. Maybe they'll hang around for awhile this time.

1 attached...

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Re: Subframe connectors, which way should we [Re: ZIPPY] #1090
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Re: Subframe connectors, which way should we [Re: ZIPPY] #1091
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Have you gays seen the new tubular double rail SFC,s from Magnum Force .They look very trick, wonder how well they work.

Re: Subframe connectors, which way should we #1092
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Have you gays seen the new tubular double rail SFC,s from Magnum Force .They look very trick, wonder how well they work.



Well, I'm not that way (not that there's anything wrong with that...)
Hard to tell from the pic, but they look like they might conform to the floor, for a nice low profile installation without cutting the floor, as well as a plate to weld a solid connection to the floor.
Anyone seen these, or wish to comment on this?
Here's a link, if anyone is interesrted link

Re: Subframe connectors, which way should we [Re: Reddart] #1093
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Bringing this post back from the dead again,anyone tried those tubular connectors mentioned above,curious how they work.thanks-Harvey

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These pics make me want to throw out the bolt in connectors I was going to weld in and make some out of 2X3" stock

Re: Subframe connectors, which way should we [Re: AdamR] #1095
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Wow. This is the longest running tech thread I have ever seen. Pretty amazing how long it has lasted, but I think this topic is pretty important. Even if a guy is never going to race his car, these things are unibodies after all and they are getting to be a little old.

This thread has lasted through a pretty important time in the evolution of my car. It went from 11.70s to 11.50s, to 11.20s and the SFCs have been in the whole time.

I like street driving and going to the track and doing a little racing (more test and tune, just to make improvements...though I do get the occasional grudge race), but track tech has not been very kind to me at 11.20s and no roll bar ("slow down or go home") so that's the latest project.

If you find yourself in the same boat, see the attached pic for how the bar ties into the SFCs. This is far stronger than having the bar sit on plates, and it won't work with bolt on SFCs. The outriggers are the same 2x3x.083" steel, and they cost 8 dollars at Dixie Machine and Fabricating

It isn't anywhere near done yet but I will be working on it all this weekend.

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Re: Subframe connectors, which way should we [Re: ZIPPY] #1096
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Holy cow, this post is still alove and kicking??? It's about to celebrate it's first birthday. Should have have a party or something?


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Re: Subframe connectors, which way should we [Re: Slider] #1097
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haha...this is one long thread...

i just fitted the connectors for my car this morning...but couldn't weld them in...it started to rain
while i am at it, i am also fabbing up a driveshaft loop/crossmember that will tie the connectors together...

i'll post some pics up when i'm done...


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Re: Subframe connectors, which way should we [Re: OUTLAWD] #1098
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Zippy do those out riggers go threw the floor boards also or do they just sit on top of them ?

If they go threw them do you have a picture from underneath ?

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Re: Subframe connectors, which way should we [Re: AdamR] #1099
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Zippy do those out riggers go threw the floor boards also or do they just sit on top of them ?

If they go threw them do you have a picture from underneath ?




They go through the floor, but they haven't been welded underneath yet because Todd DesMarais hates welding on his back, and we are going to put the car on his lift to do that job (eventually) . No pics from the bottom yet, but I will try to remember to take some when Todd welds it.

I trimmed the floorpan a short distance away from the rockers on the inside so the outriggers could be welded directly to the rocker sills, then the floorpan was welded back on in that area. Attached is a close up of the top.

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Re: Subframe connectors, which way should we [Re: AdamR] #1100
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And here's the basic idea (attached), though mine will be an 8 point instead of a 10.

Jegs and Comp Eng. sell an outrigger kit for something like $40-$50. I got the two pieces for $8, two more would be another $8 The steel is inexpensive compared to the labor, but it's a labor of love anyway.

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