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Re: Warning! Totally Anal Long Winded O.E. 340 Thread! [Re: cudaize] #1090926
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I haven't documented all the parts on the engine of my car but here are some pictures from when I pulled it out back around 1990.

Re: Warning! Totally Anal Long Winded O.E. 340 Thread! [Re: cudaize] #1090927
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Here are some components that I have documented.

Alternator: 3438172 dated 50 70

Starter: 2875560 date 7 1

Idle Solenoid: DR1114429 (round head)

Carb: was changed to a 6139

Fuel pump: replaced

right side rocker arm cover does not have the large wire clip that some of the early cars did.

Mike Afflerbach

Re: Warning! Totally Anal Long Winded O.E. 340 Thread! [Re: cudaize] #1090928
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Scott, this is the best thread in a long time! Would you want any 69 info posted here? I am restoring a 340S fastback 4 speed and there is an original owner 69 340s 4 speed convertible w-factory air who lurks on here. Other than the lower rad hose, fanbelts, radiator, negative battery cable, plug wires, alternator and carb, mine was unmolested right down to the heat shield and all A/C stuff still intact.

Re: Warning! Totally Anal Long Winded O.E. 340 Thread! [Re: RoadRunnerJD] #1090929
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Absalutely! Any year 340 is fair game on this thread, the more original details the better. It's a HUGE jigsaw puzzle at this point, every little piece helps put the big picture together.

* I discovered that most of the hoses that were on my complete 71 engine above are the originals, most stamps are still readable so I'll be posting pics.

Re: Warning! Totally Anal Long Winded O.E. 340 Thread! [Re: bremotorsports] #1090930
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69 340 Plymouth Barracuda 340S fastback

11/13/11 ADDED MORE TRANS INFO....
Some of the casting numbers and stamped numbers were hard to read but I believe these to be correct after close inspection.
History: North Carolina undercoated car supposedly parked since 1979

SPD: C09 Monday Dec 09, 1968
K-frame 323 8 2 Nov 30
4 Speed Trans: full vin number and below it some assembly info as follows:
PP8332692. 0155
The 2692 designates Dec 10 which is one day after the SPD

B5 B5 D6X X9 blue fire metallic with deluxe bucket seat interior
Rally dash/ tachometer
D21 4 speed (no console)
Power Steering
Manual Disc Brakes
H51 heater with A/C

Block Cast Date: 9-17-68
Block Casting ID: 2780930-340-8
Engine Assembly Stamping: EW340P26880427 (Dec 6 EAD)
Block VIN: full VIN stamped on oilpan rail pad
Oil filter adapter: 11 11 8
Bell Housing: 68 and dots in 8 of the 12 squares Aug 68

Main bearings: most stamped AT20 P21 and dated 10 68
Bearings had an oil groove in top half
#3 main had a 10 68 dated bottom and an 8 68 top
#5 had no date on bottom and 10 68 top

Rod brgs.: all marked H24 9-68

Intake Manifold: 2531915-2
Casting Date: 10 29 8
Original Engine Paint Color: turquoise

Oil Pan Design:
Stamped "394" with pan rail stiffening tabs on each corner

Valve Covers:
Passenger Side: Standard Clips (with wire trough). Short upright loom bracket in rear position.
Driver Side: Tall upright loom bracket in rear position.
No paint on wire loom insulators
Engine paint on PCV rubber grommets & PCV valve
PCV had numbers on it: 9 8
Oil fill cap: black painted
PCV Grommet: 2536926 DPCD but no Pentastar
Gaskets: cork

Carburetor: was stamped D8 with 68 part number and assumed not original to the car

Choke: Housing Stamped "45"

Ignition Coil: Stamped 2444242
Date code unreadable.

Temperature Sending Unit: it's somewhere?

Oil Pressure Sending Unit:
M8 80 ("unpainted gold bell Top for rallye Instrument Cluster)

Distributor:
Tag Stamped 2875782 big scroll letters "Prestolite" with the words Prestolite Limited under it
P/N IBS -4015 B Date Code 11A
Vacuum Advance Unit No outside marking

Water Pump Housing:
Casting 2402794 6 blade small dia. Impeller
Casting Date not legible

Fuel Filter: Not Original

Power Steering Hose:
Pressure Hose Fittings Part Number/Date Code: 2891078 95165
Hose Date Info: 340 8
Return Hose Vendor Code/Date Info: 95165

Engine Insulator Rubber Mount: discarded

Alternator: not original to car

Water Pump Pulley: no number stamp on pulley.

Cylinder Heads: "X" Castings 2531894-E
Left 11 18 8, Right 11 21 8

Thermostat Housing: 2780970 no date NW-7

Fuel Pump: 4587S
Date Code 325 8
Natural finish with no overspray. Unlit hose has a 3 prong spring clamp (not a wire clamp

Dipstick Tube andhandle: Engine color
Carb Return Spring:

Accelerator Cable Bracket and Return Spring Bracket: engine color

Spark Plug Wires: Not original

Heater Hose: not original
Radiator Hoses:
Upper: original but not legible
Lower: not original

Exhaust Manifold Castings/Dates:
2863549 11 27 8 passenger side
2863553 11 14 8

Fan Belt: (not original)

Power Steering Belt:

Fan Blade: 2863215

Fan Clutch:
Date Code

Distributor Hold Down Clamp: Copper Plated

Negative Battery Cable: not original
Ground strap completely painted engine color

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Re: Warning! Totally Anal Long Winded O.E. 340 Thread! [Re: RoadRunnerJD] #1090931
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Excellent detailed post John!

Re: Warning! Totally Anal Long Winded O.E. 340 Thread! [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1090932
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Thanks. Going over the dates made me think it must have been delivered just in time for someone who had a real special Christmas in 1969!

Re: Warning! Totally Anal Long Winded O.E. 340 Thread! [Re: RoadRunnerJD] #1090933
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I added some info regarding the trans and K-frame. Has anyone else had a trans assembly date later than the engine assembly date and SPD? I wonder if they had a reason to wait for the trans? Shortage? strike!

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I just took a 340 4-speed factory A/C drivetrain out of a 69 Formula S convertible, I will check the date codes out when I dissemble it and post them!


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Re: Warning! Totally Anal Long Winded O.E. 340 Thread! [Re: Rhinodart] #1090935
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Thanks Jim....Also, could you note the finishes on the attaching hardware holding the A/C brackets, etc. onto the front of the engine, Black Oxide vs engine color, etc.


Re: Warning! Totally Anal Long Winded O.E. 340 Thread! [Re: Rhinodart] #1090936
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Quote:

I just took a 340 4-speed factory A/C drivetrain out of a 69 Formula S convertible, I will check the date codes out when I dissemble it and post them!



Can you post a photo of the front of the motor with things bolted up to the water pump?

Re: Warning! Totally Anal Long Winded O.E. 340 Thread! [Re: RoadRunnerJD] #1090937
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Great thread!

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Following the format from above:

71 340 Challenger

JH23H1B383559

Built 5/07/71

TX9/H6X9/V1X/V7W


4-Speed (Console)
Power Steering (Fast Ratio)
Power Disc Brakes

Block Cast Date:
TBD

Block Casting ID:
TBD

Engine Assembly Stamping:
TBD

Block VIN Sequence Stamping:
1B383559


Original Engine Paint Color:
Blue

Oil Pan Design:
Stamped "294". Pan rail stiffening tabs - TBD

Power Steering Hose: (Fast Ratio)
Pressure Hose Fittings Part Number/Date Code: 2891232/091 1
Hose Date Info: 33xx-xxxxx with Yellow Stripes
Return Hose Vendor Code/Date Info: 83044/1051


Cylinder Heads:
TBD


Negative Battery Cable:
Appears original – TBD on data


Everything else isn't original to the car.

Cool thread!

Re: Warning! Totally Anal Long Winded O.E. 340 Thread! [Re: RoadRunnerJD] #1090939
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RoadRunnerJD posted about a 69 Barracuda 340S fastback:

"Distributor Hold Down Clamp: Copper Plated"

I have a 69 340S also with a copper plated hold down clamp. But the copper plate on my clamp originally had a black coating on top, maybe paint - not sure. I scrubbed it with a mild abrasive, and the black came off.

Can anybody discuss details about this metal finish? Is it actually black paint over copper plate, or some chemical reaction on top of the copper?

I've seen plenty of discussions about finishes like zinc plating with chromates and dichromates, and phosphating, but I've never seen a finish discussed anywhere that had copper plate on steel with something black on top.


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Re: Warning! Totally Anal Long Winded O.E. 340 Thread! [Re: kentj340] #1090940
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I was surprised too?? Hemi's and A12's with Prestolite dual points are not copper clad. Why is it like that on a 340?

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On a 69, is the intake bypass hose to the waterpump painted?

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Yes, all 68-73 340 4 barrel's should have a painted bypass hose

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scott, when i picked up my 69 340 a couple of weeks ago, the guy was cool, and threw the trans in, with the deal. motor is complete except for the manifolds and fan (blewbyu somehow managed to buy from the motor.... ) and it's all there, including starter, alternator, fuel pump, carb, etc. can get you some numbers when i get it out of the trailer.

will ask the "a" body guys to post in the various forums, to see if anyone has the car for this motor, and if they do, i'd swap it for another 340. mine did turn over, and nothing seems broken/missing externally. mines going into a dakota, so the starter, intake and carb, alternator and brackets, dizzie, etc., may be available, as i wont need them. thats UNLESS someone finds the car to match the numbers, and the person actually wants it.

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Cool beans! But trust me, you left the numbers matching car at the junk yard, 1969 was only when the block was cast, it was assembled as a 1971 engine and originally installed into that blue Demon.

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Quote:

Yes, all 68-73 340 4 barrel's should have a painted bypass hose




No paint on your bypass but it looks like paint on the alternator bracket bolt where it goes thru the water pump. No paint on the power steering bracket bolt. Is the negative cable mounted under the the throttle return spring bracket?

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