Re: R3 cylinder wall thickness
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10/06/11 10:15 PM
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I can't remember the exact figures. Small block Mopar has a larger bore spacing than the Chevie for sure. So this may not be as big a deal.
I prefer reverse cooling with #16 water lines entering the center core plug hole on the block. This will not be possible on your block Kenny as it is filled. The way to go is run your combo on alcohol. No intercooler and you can control the fuel curve on any cylinder you think there is a problem with.
Leon
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Re: R3 cylinder wall thickness
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10/07/11 09:07 AM
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If I remember correctly factory bore spacing on SBC is 4.40" and SBF is 4.38".
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Re: R3 cylinder wall thickness
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10/07/11 09:50 AM
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I called on ProLline for many reasons but mainly because they can build and tune the entire engine In House. I may go back with Uratchko, IF he has the room on his list. Last I heard from him he wasn't taking any new customers until he caught up with his Freshen-Ups.
ProLine even admittedly doesn't know SBMopars,(they build some crazy Hemis though) and rather build on the side of caution.
I did let them know about the cooling port between the center cylinders that usually isn't usually used by N/A engines.
As far as Alcohol, They won't build an Alcohol motor without billet heads. They said that to take advantage of the alcohol it would build enough power that it would cause issues with Cast heads (IE: cracks).
They suggested C or Q-16. They said with what I got that I wouldn't be able to take advantage of alcohol's benefits. On that same note I would have to upgrade my fuel system as well. I currently have the Magnafuel EFI 1000+hp system which they said should support about? 2000hp.
steve morris race engines would do my turbo
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Re: R3 cylinder wall thickness
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10/07/11 01:26 PM
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Not a turbo guy and don't claim to be....
That said, if I were building a turbo these are some items to keep in mind on my short list.
Exhaust valves open against cylinder pressure on any engine more so on turbo. Heavy exhaust rocker arms and pushrods and larger valve stems.
Chance for a lot more heat as mentioned in the exhaust valve. You have .030" more area to center to play with. This will be smaller depending on your valve to bore centerline. But, this you have over the chevies and fords.
Kick butt CFE NA drag race heads would not be preffered in this application. Thin intake port walls, small stems. No routing for water in center of head. Circle track heads are probably the best used head available.
Build stroke into your engine for a user freindly engine when not making boost. Kenny already has 4.125" stroke and a 9.590" block height.
I see no reason to have the best intake available for NA racing with a turbo. Personally would think a smaller plenum would work better with multipoint fuel injection and boost. This is just a personal thought as I have no experience whatsoever with this.
If I were doing one of these I would be calling the guys who ran Comp with an Arrington setup years ago. Would have to look up their names. They ran a Daytona and then an Avenger. I think the Avenger had a W7 or W8 head. They knew their stuff 15 years ago.
Leon
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Re: R3 cylinder wall thickness
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10/08/11 03:57 PM
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I know the guy who helped Bill put the car together. He races imports now.
Bill's car has a big tire on the rear. I forget whos car it was but I don't think it was an X prostock. He runs a 32X14 if I remember right. He also runs a Bruno with a three speed G force behind it. That brought the car to life when he ran NA. He broke input shafts when he went turbo and had to upgrade the converter and everything. Bill runs a real soft tuneup and can go up any greaseball track. I'd bet he could switch over to a 10.5 tire and go up the track with no issues. The car is just not violent at all. For what the car is it is heavy. I think he is around 2,650 with him in it. For a all tube car with lexan that is heavy in my opinion. He runs a raised port W9 head with a 772 intake manifold. To my knowledge Bill has never had to work on the engine from running on kill. So if he really went for it he could go a lot faster from what I have seen.
Leon
Career best 8.02 @ 169 at 3050# and 10" tires small block power.
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Re: R3 cylinder wall thickness
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10/08/11 11:44 PM
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I know the guy who helped Bill put the car together. He races imports now.
Bill's car has a big tire on the rear. I forget whos car it was but I don't think it was an X prostock. He runs a 32X14 if I remember right. He also runs a Bruno with a three speed G force behind it. That brought the car to life when he ran NA. He broke input shafts when he went turbo and had to upgrade the converter and everything. Bill runs a real soft tuneup and can go up any greaseball track. I'd bet he could switch over to a 10.5 tire and go up the track with no issues. The car is just not violent at all. For what the car is it is heavy. I think he is around 2,650 with him in it. For a all tube car with lexan that is heavy in my opinion. He runs a raised port W9 head with a 772 intake manifold. To my knowledge Bill has never had to work on the engine from running on kill. So if he really went for it he could go a lot faster from what I have seen.
Leon
The video I saw of his pass last month looked like he was baby-ing it off the line out to about 60ft. It came of the line nice and smooth.
Yeah I could see him making the same kind of passes on a 10.5W (33x11.6-15)or even True 10.5.
Do you know who did the engine work?
Not sure what he has the Turbo turned up to on the track BUT he was putting 1140+hp to the tires on the Dyno with somewhere around 7-10psi of boost and under 8000rpms If I remember correctly.
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