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help cooling 440 dart #1068912
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several years ago i built my mild 440 in my 1972 dart. I cant drive it in the dead of summer here in TN. because of the rediculous heat and humidity. in normal weather its fine but when its 95 degrees and the humidity is way up, it gets too warm when idling at a stop light and takes it a few seconds to cool down after getting moving again. When its hot out it will go down the road at around 190 degrees but when i come to a light or a stop it will climb up to 220 and even more if i let it. The radiator is the stock one this 1972 dart came with, originally a 318. Its the 22". Also has the stock shroud still on the radiator and i have a 6 bladed flex fan on it with a spacer and it sits about 1 1/2" from the radiator. I dont run a thermostat but i will be getting one in my mission to make this thing run cooler. What else can i do? I dont want to hack up the body to use another radiator or electric fan or whatever. I dont know where to get a smaller water pump pulley,,? Help! I wanna drive this thing more in the summer.

Re: help cooling 440 dart [Re: mopower440] #1068913
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stop light and takes it a few seconds to cool down after getting moving The radiator is the stock one this 1972 dart came with, it sits about 1 1/2" from the radiator. I dont run a thermostat but i will be getting one in my mission to make this thing run cooler. I dont know where to get a smaller water pump pulley,


Airflow. I'd get a new 22" rad w 2 or better yet 3 cores & move the fan back 2 where ~2/3 of it is in the back of the shroud. What dia/depth is your WP pulley, I may have one. I'd put a 180 stat in there ASAP as it ain't affecting your cooling prob ex 4 delaying it's onset a bit & WO one the slow warmup is hurting your mileage & drastically incr cyl/ring wear


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Re: help cooling 440 dart [Re: mopower440] #1068914
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I still use my 22" rad but went with a 3 row high density core. I also use a 7 blade solid fan about 1/2" away from the rad. Engine ran in the 170's, and never overheated until I changed to a 175K converter (2x since then). If I can ever find any spare time I'm going to put in an aftermarket trans cooler and separate the trans cooling from the engine cooling. I've also been told that an air conditioning water pump has more flow but I've never checked into that.
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Re: help cooling 440 dart [Re: mopower440] #1068915
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x2! more rows in the rad and make sure your hoses aren't collapsing.

Re: help cooling 440 dart [Re: mikemee1331] #1068916
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Better radiator
Thermostat
No flex fan

Read this info.
http://www.waterpumpwarehouse.com/servlet/the-45360/Dodge-A100-318-V8/Detail

Re: help cooling 440 dart [Re: mikemee1331] #1068917
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Water pump pulley ratio. Water pump MUST turn 15 to 20% faster than crank.


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Re: help cooling 440 dart [Re: RodStRace] #1068918
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been outside fooling with it, the pulley is about 6", it damn near touches the crank pulley, need a smaller one. today its about 85 degrees out but humidity is very high, it wont get over 210 idling, if i shut it off for a few minutes and then start it back up, it will be around 235 but will drop right back down to 210 after about 5 seconds of it running..

Re: help cooling 440 dart [Re: mopower440] #1068919
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If your crank pulley is 7.25" your 20% overdriven right now & you're good there


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Re: help cooling 440 dart [Re: RapidRobert] #1068920
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What is your engine combo? Timing at idle, etc?

Which pump are you running and which housing?


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Re: help cooling 440 dart [Re: RapidRobert] #1068921
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You have a decent fan and shroud. The WP and fan is turning fast enough.

190 F on a roll is OK... but if its that hot without a thermostat, the radiator is barely keeping up. On steady cruise it should be running a lot cooler than that w/o stat.

You just need more radiator. If you don't want to cut the car for a 26" radiator, you need a really good 22". Depending on the radiator shops in your area, you may be able to get your current radiator re-cored with a high efficinecy 3 core. Or get a high efficiency aluminum. Mancini sells two lines with top tank style - "Muscle Car" and Griffin. I use their "Muscle Car" radiator with good results.

Re: help cooling 440 dart [Re: ahy] #1068922
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its a mild built 440, 9.4:1, MP 284/484 cam installed 4 degrees advanced, initial timing is 15, The water pump housing is the original one that came on this 1975 440 and i believe the pump is the a/c one, the water pump pulley is about 6 1/4 inches and the crank pulley is 7 1/2". seems like if i could get just a tad more air through the radiator it would work..

Re: help cooling 440 dart [Re: mopower440] #1068923
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you can flow the coolant to the radiator as fast as you want but if it doesn't have the capacity to cool it whats the point. a 22 inch 2 row radiator is not going to cool a big block engine especially when it's hot out. take your radiator to a radiator to a shop and have it re-cored to at least 3 rows.

Re: help cooling 440 dart [Re: mikemee1331] #1068924
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when measuring the radiator, do we measure just the cooling fin area or the whole thing tanks and all? i measured just the cooling fin area and got 22". What about this one? would it bolt right up and do the job?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ALUMINUM-...=item2566b126d4

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Re: help cooling 440 dart [Re: mopower440] #1068925
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core area only. that rad should do the trick but (and this is just me) i would take the one (yours) that you know fits and bolts right in and has the inlet and outlet where you need it to a radiator shop and just have it re-cored. again, that's just me.

Re: help cooling 440 dart [Re: mikemee1331] #1068926
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heres a 4 row
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/4-Row-196...=item2c5e873366

i would recore the original but have read on here that its very very expensive, not much funds these days.

Re: help cooling 440 dart [Re: mopower440] #1068927
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i had mine done over 15 years ago (still working great) so i wouldn't know how much it cost today. might be worth a couple of phone calls. and i completely understand about lack of funds!

Re: help cooling 440 dart [Re: mikemee1331] #1068928
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you can flow the coolant to the radiator as fast as you want but if it doesn't have the capacity to cool it whats the point. a 22 inch 2 row radiator is not going to cool a big block engine especially when it's hot out. take your radiator to a radiator to a shop and have it re-cored to at least 3 rows.




My 383 '70 Valiant did fine (steady 180-185 under all conditions) with a 22" 3-core with a flex fan, although it was a 4-speed so no trans cooler, and no a/c or power-anything. When I tried the same rad with a 6-71 blown 440, it wasn't near big enough even at highway speeds, let alone in traffic.

Re: help cooling 440 dart [Re: DrCharles] #1068929
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I would try a mopar clutch fan. They seem to move more air than a flex fan. You could probably find one at a junkyard, and if it doesnt help, atleast you aren't out anything.

Re: help cooling 440 dart [Re: ahy] #1068930
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You have a decent fan and shroud. The WP and fan is turning fast enough.






Respectfully disagree, a flex fan sucks and causes the problems your having.

I also think with the right tuneup the radiator you have now will do the job, well enough.







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