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Fuel Injection with W2 heads? #1067055 09/01/11 06:46 PM 09/01/11 06:46 PM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 387 Montreal PQ, Canada 74_360_Cuda OP enthusiast
74_360_Cuda OP enthusiast Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 387 Montreal PQ, Canada	I have an old street dominator intake with no air gap under the runners so I have typical Issues with hot carburator on hot days.. I was thinking to go with the victor W2 but I am a bit tired of constantly having to re-adjust the carburator and was thinking to go fuel injection. I don't think there is any kit available for W2 heads but is it possible to modify a junior Intake to have fuel rails? If so, do you know someone who does it? BTW, My heads are ported and the intake would need some work to match.. I have noticed a proliferation of EFI kits on the market... I have a 408 that have been dynoded at 505HP... which brand/kit would you recomend? Thanks,

Re: Fuel Injection with W2 heads? [Re: 74_360_Cuda] #1067056 09/01/11 08:12 PM 09/01/11 08:12 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7,664 IN A ahy master
ahy master A Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7,664 IN	I did the EFI conversion on a "B" engine with Ed heads and M1 intake. For the folks that do it, its pretty straight forward to drill the manifold for bungs, weld in the bungs and install mounts for the fuel rails. I had mine done by an EFI dealer near Memphis who is now out of business. Mopar Rich (Fastman EFI)on this board could do it or guide you to someone who could. Do a search on EFI and you'll find more possibilities.

Re: Fuel Injection with W2 heads? [Re: 74_360_Cuda] #1067057 09/01/11 08:16 PM 09/01/11 08:16 PM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,404 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY Dragula I Live Here
Dragula I Live Here Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,404 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY	I will be putting my EZ-efi system on my 408ci +500hp W2 motor...Should be perfect for it. I currently run it on my milder 360... 360 with Air Gap: Mock up on a TR.... I cut the heat runner out from the W2 intake and welded it back up. What mopar was thinking I will never know. The carb hole was way off center as well right from the factory. Last edited by Dragula; 09/01/11 08:18 PM. '70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9) '66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage '71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk

Re: Fuel Injection with W2 heads? [Re: Dragula] #1067058 09/01/11 10:37 PM 09/01/11 10:37 PM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 387 Montreal PQ, Canada 74_360_Cuda OP enthusiast
74_360_Cuda OP enthusiast Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 387 Montreal PQ, Canada	Glad to ear you are satisfied with it. I was thinking that fuel rails on each port was the only way to go for 500+ HP...

Re: Fuel Injection with W2 heads? [Re: 74_360_Cuda] #1067059 09/01/11 11:00 PM 09/01/11 11:00 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7,664 IN A ahy master
ahy master A Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7,664 IN	Here's a pic where you can see the injectors behind the alternator and other stuff. Its a B engine with M1 manifold. The board member who deals with EFI is Rich Neible (sp). 6806520-IMG_2201.jpg (96 downloads)

Re: Fuel Injection with W2 heads? [Re: ahy] #1067060 09/02/11 01:22 AM 09/02/11 01:22 AM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 387 Montreal PQ, Canada 74_360_Cuda OP enthusiast
74_360_Cuda OP enthusiast Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 387 Montreal PQ, Canada	I have been doing some reading and it looks like 99% of the people are extremly happy with their EZ... What kit would I need to buy, should I buy their master kit or go with differant fuel pump/line setup? Should I change my sending unit i.e. for 3/8 line etc...? I think they also have an inside the tank pump... which one is preferable? I would need a cap to block off my mechanical fuel pump opening in the timming chain cover! Last edited by 74_360_Cuda; 09/02/11 02:50 AM.

Re: Fuel Injection with W2 heads? [Re: 74_360_Cuda] #1067061 09/02/11 09:05 AM 09/02/11 09:05 AM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,404 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY Dragula I Live Here
Dragula I Live Here Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,404 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY	Quote: I have been doing some reading and it looks like 99% of the people are extremly happy with their EZ... What kit would I need to buy, should I buy their master kit or go with differant fuel pump/line setup? Should I change my sending unit i.e. for 3/8 line etc...? I think they also have an inside the tank pump... which one is preferable? I would need a cap to block off my mechanical fuel pump opening in the timming chain cover! When you go efi, figure on redoing the whole fuel system to do it right. This particular one I built has an A1000 in tank pump with custom fuel cell and AN10 supply & return lines. A little over kill but I used a bypass regulator that with a spring change can be used for efi or carb. It litterally takes less than an hour to switch between them. I went with AN10 because I figured with a carb, I would be returning a lot of fuel to the tank and didn't want to choke it off and not be able to reduce the pressure down low enough to run a carb by restricting flow. Restricting flow creates heat in the fuel and is bad for street driving. Last edited by Dragula; 09/02/11 09:06 AM. '70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9) '66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage '71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk

Re: Fuel Injection with W2 heads? [Re: 74_360_Cuda] #1067062 09/02/11 09:40 AM 09/02/11 09:40 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,123 Grand Haven, MI patrick I Live Here
patrick I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,123 Grand Haven, MI	Quote: I have an old street dominator intake with no air gap under the runners so I have typical Issues with hot carburator on hot days.. I was thinking to go with the victor W2 but I am a bit tired of constantly having to re-adjust the carburator and was thinking to go fuel injection. I don't think there is any kit available for W2 heads but is it possible to modify a junior Intake to have fuel rails? If so, do you know someone who does it? BTW, My heads are ported and the intake would need some work to match.. I have noticed a proliferation of EFI kits on the market... I have a 408 that have been dynoded at 505HP... which brand/kit would you recomend? Thanks, ease of implementation, the FAST EZ-EFI, the throttle body system 1976 Spinnaker White Plymouth Duster, /6 A833OD 1986 Silver/Twilight Blue Chrysler 5th Ave HotRod SOLD!* 2011 Toxic Orange Dodge Charger R/T 2017 Grand Cherokee Overland 2014 Jeep Cherokee Latitude (holy crap, my daughter is driving)

Re: Fuel Injection with W2 heads? [Re: patrick] #1067063 09/02/11 12:23 PM 09/02/11 12:23 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,938 Sonora CA Mopar_Rich top fuel
Mopar_Rich top fuel Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,938 Sonora CA	I'm here - ready to help ...

Re: Fuel Injection with W2 heads? [Re: Mopar_Rich] #1067064 09/02/11 04:43 PM 09/02/11 04:43 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7,664 IN A ahy master
ahy master A Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7,664 IN	I agree with Dragula on the benefit of a solid fuel system. I started with a factory style pickup (large tube) and a frame rail mounted A1000 pump. It worked but not great. Electric pumps just don't like restriction on the input. Cavitation shortens their life and they make a lot of noise. Plus, spirited driving below 1/2 tank risks uncovering the pickup. Driving below 1/4 tank is never recommended with a factory style pickup and EFI pump. An in tank pump or a bottom sump added to a stock style tank with external pump are best. There was a long thread or two on EFI fuel systems within the last year - worth searching for. The in tank packages best and is quietest. It also depends somewhat on power and fuel delivery requirements. There are quite a few pump options - including retrofit of a stock pickup with pump - for up to roughly 500HP. Beyond that there are fewer choices. I switched to a custom tank and in tank pump and really like it.

Re: Fuel Injection with W2 heads? [Re: ahy] #1067065 09/05/11 12:58 AM 09/05/11 12:58 AM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 387 Montreal PQ, Canada 74_360_Cuda OP enthusiast
74_360_Cuda OP enthusiast Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 387 Montreal PQ, Canada	Quote: I agree with Dragula on the benefit of a solid fuel system. I started with a factory style pickup (large tube) and a frame rail mounted A1000 pump. It worked but not great. Electric pumps just don't like restriction on the input. Cavitation shortens their life and they make a lot of noise. Plus, spirited driving below 1/2 tank risks uncovering the pickup. Driving below 1/4 tank is never recommended with a factory style pickup and EFI pump. An in tank pump or a bottom sump added to a stock style tank with external pump are best. There was a long thread or two on EFI fuel systems within the last year - worth searching for. The in tank packages best and is quietest. It also depends somewhat on power and fuel delivery requirements. There are quite a few pump options - including retrofit of a stock pickup with pump - for up to roughly 500HP. Beyond that there are fewer choices. I switched to a custom tank and in tank pump and really like it. Found these post: https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...rt=all&vc=1 https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...amp;Search=true https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...rt=all&vc=1 Last edited by 74_360_Cuda; 09/05/11 02:27 AM.

Re: Fuel Injection with W2 heads? [Re: Mopar_Rich] #1067066 09/05/11 01:03 AM 09/05/11 01:03 AM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 387 Montreal PQ, Canada 74_360_Cuda OP enthusiast
74_360_Cuda OP enthusiast Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 387 Montreal PQ, Canada	Quote: I'm here - ready to help ... Thanks, I am definetly sold to the idea of buying your EZ kit... Looks like an awsome product! I am still concerned about the proper fuel system. I am affraid that the external pump setup will be noisy and sensistive to the amount of fuel left in the tank... What about your in-tank pump...how easy is it to install it on a stock fuel tank and avoid the fuel migration issues...? What about venting etc..

Re: Fuel Injection with W2 heads? [Re: 74_360_Cuda] #1067067 09/06/11 06:17 PM 09/06/11 06:17 PM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,404 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY Dragula I Live Here
Dragula I Live Here Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,404 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY	Quote: Quote: I'm here - ready to help ... Thanks, I am definetly sold to the idea of buying your EZ kit... Looks like an awsome product! I am still concerned about the proper fuel system. I am affraid that the external pump setup will be noisy and sensistive to the amount of fuel left in the tank... What about your in-tank pump...how easy is it to install it on a stock fuel tank and avoid the fuel migration issues...? What about venting etc.. All of that has to be well thought out or difficult to find issues can arise. My stuff is all custom so that the pick-up is never uncovered during racing or street driving until the tank is empty with specially made sump. I have two systems and both work awesome. Originally, I had a healthy pro street system, and leaving parts of that in place was a big mistake.. '70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9) '66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage '71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk

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