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Re: 8 3/4 back brace [Re: Guitar Jones] #1065258
08/29/11 11:54 PM
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Funny my 4 speed 340 Duster never made a full pass with the 8.75. It was either swap to a Dana or an automatic, I chose the automatic. I have the aluminum center section in mine with a pro gear and have been good to this point but before with a street gear I would plan on a ring and pinion every 2 seasons or so.




I'm on my 5th year on my street gears... still perfect

To the OP... those load bolt just slightly load the
back of the caps (inside) so they are less likely to break





Yeah, your car is probably lighter than mine was but good luck to you.




His car is a heckuva lot faster than yours too !!! My 340 was a second and a half slower than your 340!!
I have had ONE 8 3/4 rear break after 25+ years of very abusive street racing with dozens and dozens of cars.
My Cuda was beaten severely for years and years with the same 4.56 8 3/4 rear. It also had the same A833 tranny. Never had problems with either.


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Re: 8 3/4 back brace [Re: Guitar Jones] #1065259
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Yeah, your car is probably lighter than mine was but good luck to you.




Probably is lighter... heck I got over 600 passes with
a stock pig with a set of 4.88 street gears before
it blew the caps off of it... at that time I changed
over to the alum center with 4.56 street gears running
1.19 - 1.21 60'(depending on how many passes on the slicks)

Re: 8 3/4 back brace [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1065260
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Any chance of getting some more info on the jack bolts? Are they just some regular bolts or are they like a jacking screw?


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Re: 8 3/4 back brace [Re: lucky13] #1065261
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and are the tubes sealed? i have access to a fantastic fabricator and his shop, he is willing to do whatever i want. he will be installing my cage, wants to build me some super crazy headers... etc... i just need the ideas and how to's to get it going!

Re: 8 3/4 back brace [Re: 8urvette] #1065262
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It's just a threaded spud, you can use a long allen screw or cap bolt, use a jam nut to lock it down just past finger tight. It should hit the center of the caps, prevents them from moving rearward and getting broken or spit out.


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Re: 8 3/4 back brace [Re: Slingshot383] #1065263
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when you install the back brace, make sure you leave room for the shocks. I forgot and the first time the axle rotated up it dented both shocks.

Re: 8 3/4 back brace [Re: larry890] #1065264
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sweet thanks guys, since all i have to pay for is the steel, (and my friend has tons of scrap, literally) it should only be a few bucks, and he will teach me how to do it, so it'll be a good learning experience too!

Re: 8 3/4 back brace [Re: Slingshot383] #1065265
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It's just a threaded spud, you can use a long allen screw or cap bolt, use a jam nut to lock it down just past finger tight. It should hit the center of the caps, prevents them from moving rearward and getting broken or spit out.




Its simple to make... I lay it on the back with the
same gap at each end then set my dividers to the gap
then scribe the tubing keep your dividers square to
the axle housing ..... DONT WELD IT ALL AT ONCE
weld 1" sections and jump around so you dont bow the
axle tubes

Re: 8 3/4 back brace [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1065266
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..... DONT WELD IT ALL AT ONCE
weld 1" sections and jump around so you dont bow the
axle tubes




THIS!

Be a builder listen to the guys that know! It will be better than doing nothing!!!


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Re: 8 3/4 back brace [Re: kilroy] #1065267
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o i know, i have learned this once or twice just welding little stupid things.
and like i said, my friend has been doing welding and fabricating for at least 10 years, owing his own shop, so 12-16 hours a day 7 days a week. you guys know how it is.

the main cap bolt tubes, do they leak then? what size should i use? what grade bolt? and does the threaded pitch matter?

Re: 8 3/4 back brace [Re: kilroy] #1065268
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I have to get Mike(P-Body)to put a back brace on my 8.750 in my GTX!...probably next spring,when I get rid of the stock,factory axles!

Re: 8 3/4 back brace [Re: Labratt] #1065269
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I have to get Mike(P-Body)to put a back brace on my 8.750 in my GTX!...probably next spring,when I get rid of the stock,factory axles!



I dont know why I worry about my 8 3/4 so much if you are running stock axles to low 11's. I like to see that. These 8 3/4's arent as bad as everyone on here says!


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Re: 8 3/4 back brace [Re: 8urvette] #1065270
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the main cap bolt tubes, do they leak then? what size should i use? what grade bolt? and does the threaded pitch matter?




I bought load bolts from TA who make covers, then modified them to fit my rear. (The car rear people....)
The tubes are welded inside the housing and outside the housing. They shouldn't leak, I don't think the gear oil is filled above their level and I anti-seize the bolts and use a lock nut...


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Re: 8 3/4 back brace [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1065271
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Mike,
Could you IM me, questions about back bracing for my 8 3/4.
Thanks...

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here's a pic of mine. was in a trans brake turbo car. 3600 lbs. started shearing pinion gear stems when the car was going hi 9s. Never had failures except for shearing pinion gears.


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Re: 8 3/4 back brace [Re: 8urvette] #1065274
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does anybody have pics of a well made home made brace? I have access to just about everything i could ever need to do this. I am a ok welder at best, but my friend owns a welding fabrication business. He offered me the use of his shop, equipment and expertise... so i figured for the cost of the steel I could make my own. And be well ahead of a stock housing. If any pics are out there i would live to see them!

thank for all the input guys.



A back brace IMO mainly pevents bending of the Housing under extreme acceleration, good traction and High HP applications, and some twisting of same. Does little to help the R&P tooth interface, also IMo the weakest point after
the already mentioned Driver side cap.

Not worth it for OP IMO, and fpllow my suggestion, not what I do.



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