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Well, I talked to my sales rep this afternoon and got the bad news. I've had several cases on backorder since before the 1st of the year.

Fram has officially dis-continued the oval air filter elements. They are gone with no plans to make another run at this time.

If you need one and find one , my advice buy it

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An 'orange' lip would be NORS, not NOS, as the original line filters were black

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bought 12 to go along with the 3 originals i have.put a new original in 2001 and it still looks new.now i am stuck with all these filters.

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An 'orange' lip would be NORS, not NOS, as the original line filters were black

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Mike,
Sorry, but I respectivly dis-agree


I personally have never seen anything to suggest they were black rubber .
from original cars, to magazine road test articles. every one I've seen is orange

original road test car ad

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I disagree as well, orange was the line color, black was early chrysler replacements. I have some black ones in the chrysler boxes that I would sell for a bizillion million dollars though also have original nos orange oval filters if someone needs one for a oe car or nice show car.

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Oh well I digress,....must be old age I thought the line filters were black bonded, ...either way we won't see any repros until someone is willing to drop about $5-$7500 on a bulk order with FRAM

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Is there any interest in the Fram 332 oval filter?, it's basically the same 6pak but without the preforated metal guard around the element,...a production run of those is fesible @ 500 units minimum order

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Sorry, but I respectivly dis-agree


I personally have never seen anything to suggest they were black rubber .
from original cars, to magazine road test articles. every one I've seen is orange

original road test car ad

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Hey, how come the carbs and intake in the foreground in this photo are BACKWARDS??????

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[quoteHey, how come the carbs and intake in the foreground in this photo are BACKWARDS??????

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Thats the ubber rare export version of an A12 car

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and the emission sticker with the ignition timing is on the air filter lid????......supposed to be on the fender by the unbent fender tag.......

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are any of the black rubber air filters with the "X" type mesh still available?

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Im have a few of those and as far as I know they are only available from people who have them. Long gone from the stores...

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maybe we could get K&N to do a knock off

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maybe we could get K&N to do a knock off

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That would be construed as a patent infringement by Fram,....Fram would still make a run of these filters, someone needs to drop the coin or purchase order, but purchase volume to sales ratio/ return rate, and this economy is why the filter will go disco

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How many would have to be ordered by one person to make a run? And what would they cost each? Maybe I could get something going.

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I picked up one yesterday that was "supposedly" the last one sitting in a warehouse in Pennslyvania. a little parts store called his fram rep and thats was the story passed along, cant say how true it is but I got one.

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Is there that big of a calling to do this, Eric

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In my honest opinion ? No.
At least not cost effective enough to get a return on investment within a reasonable time frame.
You would have to sell approx 1/2 of them just to break even and I have my doubts that could be done within a reasonable time ( such as 1, to 2 years max )

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Bill/Eric, this is actually for me the second time I approached Fram on this "project"....from what the Fram Rep I talked to, and said, was pretty much on par with you Bill, 1000 minimum units @ approx $40-$50 each, so it leaves a small profit margin on the 332V (vintage) series for "consideration" of a production run, I sure Fram would ramp up a run of there own, even if it was run-off from set-up/qualifing, so i don't think you could have exclusive lot/batch control to prevent Fram from wholsale distribution, as they won't inventory an item with such a minute volume, as I'm sure they have standing/open orders from others waiting in line,...I asked about the CA332 replacment, it's basically the same as the vintage CA332V, but without the preforated metal gaurd around the perimeter, basically it was a Fram service replacement in the 80's-90's,...production consideration was 500 units minimum, @ the same $40-$50 price range, just a smaller volume purchase,....but I'm inclined to think that people want the CA332V series for correctness?....one advantage I have, should I consider the purchase is location, the production plant is just minutes away, saving me time/money on qualifing run approval, and shipping, as I can transport them,...but like I said eariler, it's going to take $40-50K+, possibly $75000?, depending on the production requiorement by Fram ...and the return is small and long term, even to take the "short buck" and wholesale the entire lot, the return would be chump change, IMHO, not worth it, unless you don't mind your cash tied up, or a dismall return for your effort


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....but I'm inclined to think that people want the CA332V series for correctness?....Mike

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No point in doing the CA332 without the guard; might as well use the K&N at that point.


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If it comes down to someone making the commitment to Fram for 1000 units, maybe some sort of pre ordered group buy could motivate them to do another run.

I would buy two at $70 each, knowing it could be a long time before another run is made.

Throw in a few Mopar parts vendors and some Moparts members pooling their commitments and it could get done. I'd put down 50% up front should it take place.

(refundable if the venture cant recruit enough buyers)

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My question would be how many really need one.My Superbird has been finished for 19 years,installed a N.O.S. original at that time,it is still as nice as when new.I still have two more left plus a few used originals that are pretty nice,will I ever use/need them,probably not.

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But will people spend $70 on them if I buy them for $45? Eric

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Other than a Mopar who uses this oval air filter? Which model Mopars use this filter?

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So this means that when the stock of Mopar Performance six pack packages
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Two Mopar's

I have my order in and tomorrow I'm calling the other two Advance Auto stores and ordering two more

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Two Mopar's

I have my order in and tomorrow I'm calling the other two Advance Auto stores and ordering two more

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Bill if for some reason all three Advance Auto stores come up with a filter within a week I will send you one no charge and I'll hoard the other two and I won't feel bad in the slightest

I'm still hoarding this one and not sure if it's a real one or not


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Ordered one from Auto Barn last week. They cancelled the order yesterday.

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But will people spend $70 on them if I buy them for $45? Eric

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Yes, there will be a demand and a $70 price is not out of line. Most guys will buy at least 2 so they have a clean one on the shelf.

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CA332v
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CA332v
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Did any of the other filter companies ever make these? (Wix, Delco, etc) I'd be happy to have a couple of fresh ones, with wire mesh just for driving around with and save the Vintage filter for show only.

I phoned around the other day and couldn't find any.

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Stopped by my local Advance Auto Parts store this evening to pick up something and started to walk out and turned around and said "can you get a Fram CA332V air filter?" to the parts guy I know there and he looks it up...........he says "no out of stock" and then clicks on "MUST HAVE" to place an order. He then says "they (ordering) hate to see that and they really are told to jump on that when a store clicks "MUST HAVE". He said they usually get a response within a week. I ask if that is now an actual order and he said yes it is. So when I just inquired if they had or could get one that doesn't create an order or actual demand and it basically goes un-noticed. We all need to order one at every Advance Auto Parts store in the country and create a REAL demand and have them click as "MUST HAVE"!!!!

I picked Advance Auto because the local guys have a Friday night cruise, they are all car guys, know how to get me the best price and the parts same or next day annnnnnnd because they have had this photo in the store for a while now with a CA332V Fram air filter in it

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Inquiring about the filter without ordering it does not create a demand. If we all order one from the same auto parts store national chain (that has some clout) maybe Fram will make another run of them? Call your local Advance Auto Parts store and order one.

I have my order in and tomorrow I'm calling the other two Advance Auto stores and ordering two more

MikeR


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Could at least use 4. And a friend needs a couple for his AAR.

I think if you went to the TA/AAR board, A12 Board, and the NHOA, etc, you'd wind up with the 500 needed.

The rest could be sold to year one, Dante's, etc.

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that's why my post about using one large national parts chain that everyone should place an order with so it red flags the need and demand. If Fram doesn't see a demand why would they even consider making any????? You know someone will make an orange repop here soon......I said the same thing about the chrome oil/valve cover breathers, I couldn't believe no one was repoping them for how many '68----'70 cars used them, now it's the same thing for this air filter, can you say DUH! COME ON FRAM, I don't want a CHINA knock off on my (North) American car!

EVERYONE PLACE A "MUST HAVE" ORDER AT ADVANCE AUTO PARTS to at least show a real demand. (and spread the word over on the other websites to do the same)

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Could at least use 4. And a friend needs a couple for his AAR.

I think if you went to the TA/AAR board, A12 Board, and the NHOA, etc, you'd wind up with the 500 needed.

The rest could be sold to year one, Dante's, etc.

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that's why my post about using one large national parts chain that everyone should place an order with so it red flags the need and demand. If Fram doesn't see a demand why would they even consider making any????? You know someone will make an orange repop here soon......I said the same thing about the chrome oil/valve cover breathers, I couldn't believe no one was repoping them for how many '68----'70 cars used them, now it's the same thing for this air filter, can you say DUH! COME ON FRAM, I don't want a CHINA knock off on my (North) American car!

EVERYONE PLACE A "MUST HAVE" ORDER AT ADVANCE AUTO PARTS to at least show a real demand. (and spread the word over on the other websites to do the same)

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Seems like kind of a waste of time if I wanted to tie up some funds for a looooongggg time for a "wish".
Why does Fram have to have their heads up their keysters anyway. 1000 pcs were surely not enough. I think the demand is still there!

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The first guy I talked to just said they were discontinued, and he transferred me to marketing department who was doing the online chat thing with someone that knew the scoop on the fate of the CA332V.

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So I thought why not call Fram direct.... They said they didn't make the CA332V in house. The company that did the last run wasn't available and they couldn't find a new manufacturer that would produce them. The last of what they had went to Advanced Auto. So they decided to discontinue them. I don't think they tried real hard to come up with someone......... Maybe we need to flood Fram with calls.

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not to go too far OT but was there any other "production" air filter as large or larger than the "Air Grabber/Ramcharger/AAR-T/A/CA332V" filter on any production car? I don't think anything even comes close but if there is who made it?

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I guess Im really confused about the whole idea of getting them to start up productuion again.
They discontinued them! probably due to lacking sales .....now that theyre discontinued everybody wants 2 or 3. until theres ample supply then the sales drop off again.

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Ah yes, you're right, but it was hard to find them in the early 80's until a young man named John V. living just outside Chatham, Ontario went into the office of the local FRAM manufacturing plant.

He asked if they had any oval air filters left over from the late 60s early 70s. And yes, they had a few left over and could accommodate him, BUT he also stumbled upon the biggest MOTHERLOAD of Mopar Air Cleaners ever known to mortal man.

The rest of the story is Mopar history.

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Until a vendor steps up with a PO (and $$$) to order them, I don't see a chance of anything happening. The idea of placing individual special orders from stores is just peeing in the wind.

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Doing something is better than doing nothing IMO


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GOT ONE!!!
OK, As I mentioned previously I called the 800# for Fram customer assistanse (I called a few times!) I finally talked to a gentleman that has worked there the last 12 years and from what it sounds like was in charge of returns from places that wanted to return some of their inventory. Turns out that 800# went to a warehouse about 10 miles from my office, and the guy didn't live that far from me. He has breakfast in a small town nearby at a Mom and Pop restaurant every Saturday morning and wondered if I wanted to meet him for breakfast...... so I did. Turns up he had ONE CA332V in his stash, and GAVE it to me. He checked all the other guys in his position at other warehouses and he was the only one with one. I'm not sure what it fits, but he has 300 plus CA305V filters he's willing to GIVE to anyone needing one, he said it's for a Mopar 4 BBL. He also has pallets of cleaning kits for the Air Hog filter Fram had a ways back.... so if anyone needs either of those, he's got them. Anyway, I need 2 filters and am half way there! So NOW there are none available in the U.S.!!!