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BENEFITS OF A CORRECTED REAR SHACKLE HANGER??? #1041265 07/27/11 10:12 AM 07/27/11 10:12 AM
Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,325 Clinton Twp... north of Deetro... L Labratt OP Good Ol Randy B!
Labratt OP Good Ol Randy B! L Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,325 Clinton Twp... north of Deetro...	Can I get some "Real World" opinions...from the actual experience of correcting a "neautral" angle(straight up and down)to a "corrected" angle of 30 degrees forward(top of shackle)? I'm VERY curious as to the difference it made in the 60' times! I am talking about Super Stock springs. My angle is at this position because I'm using the 002/003 A-Body springs on my '69' GTX....and apparently the rear attaching point has to be moved forward 1-1/1/2" Thanks in advance for your information! Randy B. 6748998-GTXREARSPRINGMOUNT002.jpg (110 downloads)

Re: BENEFITS OF A CORRECTED REAR SHACKLE HANGER??? [Re: Labratt] #1041266 07/27/11 10:47 AM 07/27/11 10:47 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,871 Smyrna, South Carolina STEFF master
STEFF master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,871 Smyrna, South Carolina	You will pick up .50 sec. in your 60'.......is that what you want to hear? Sorry Randy, but you already know that it should improve your 60' issues about a tenth or so and it seems all the info you received, so far isn't good enuff. Get the car fixed go run it. Its the best way to learn. Last edited by STEFF; 07/27/11 10:50 AM.

Re: BENEFITS OF A CORRECTED REAR SHACKLE HANGER??? [Re: Labratt] #1041267 07/27/11 10:49 AM 07/27/11 10:49 AM
Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,675 Akron, Ohio U.S.A. roadhazard master
roadhazard master Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,675 Akron, Ohio U.S.A.	Randy, I was reading your other thread last night and have to agree with those that suggested correcting your rear shackle angle (MrPBody & Jake68 off the top of my head). As Jake68 mentioned you could even use some spring sliders to lower the car a bit if that's what you desire but I'd keep it simple and use what you have. Just make and or modify your brackets to get the desired ride height and an agressive angle so the rear segment does not try to pull the rear shackle over center as I believe this is an issue with your current set up. My ugly set up that dead hooks to high 1.3's to 1.40's. I beilive it's about a 60* angle FWIW 6749045-DSCN0808compressed.JPG (77 downloads)

Re: BENEFITS OF A CORRECTED REAR SHACKLE HANGER??? [Re: Labratt] #1041268 07/27/11 10:52 AM 07/27/11 10:52 AM
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 178 Sterling Hts, MI 2 2FASTCORONET member
2FASTCORONET member 2 Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 178 Sterling Hts, MI	Randy, At this point I'm not sure what my car will do yet, because I'm trying for that one ten second slip too. I can tell you my shackles in the stock position are similar to yours. I've added a 1/2" aluminum plates in front of the front hanger to get about 45 degrees. The shackle position will allow the car to rise a lot more(push down), so you have to control it with your shocks. Also, if you need a set of B body springs to try. I have both xhd and ss for b bodies. I got a great deal on some tri city launchers and have them on now. I really like them a lot as they lowered the car in the rear. I have 5" of rise in the front end and added the calvert shocks. What a difference. I've really concentrated on gettin 5" of rise in the front end. Big difference even on the street! I'm looking forward to trying it out at the strip. Dennis

Re: BENEFITS OF A CORRECTED REAR SHACKLE HANGER??? [Re: roadhazard] #1041269 07/27/11 11:01 AM 07/27/11 11:01 AM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,377 Ohio Todd pro stock
Todd pro stock Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,377 Ohio	I had a problem with the shackle hitting on the frame. Instead of making a new mount and trying to make the shackle work I installed some sliders. The suspension moves alot easier. 6749057-2011-06-1116.02.11(Large).jpg (123 downloads)

Re: BENEFITS OF A CORRECTED REAR SHACKLE HANGER??? [Re: 2FASTCORONET] #1041270 07/27/11 11:11 AM 07/27/11 11:11 AM
Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,325 Clinton Twp... north of Deetro... L Labratt OP Good Ol Randy B!
Labratt OP Good Ol Randy B! L Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,325 Clinton Twp... north of Deetro...	Steff...I hear ya'! Believe me,I trust both Mike R... and Jake with their advice! I would be more than happy with a .1 improvement in my 60's! On a well-prepped track,that would translate to 1.42-1.46's! Thanks for your opinion! Greg,the angle on your shackles obviously works VERRRY well! Dennis,appreciate your offer,but I'll just stick with the ole' 002/003 springs...and get the shackle angle resolved! If that knocks off a tenth,like Steff suggests....I'll be a "Happy Camper"! Thanks,Guys!

Re: BENEFITS OF A CORRECTED REAR SHACKLE HANGER??? [Re: Todd] #1041271 07/27/11 11:12 AM 07/27/11 11:12 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,996 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw... gregsdart master
gregsdart master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,996 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw...	Quote: I had a problem with the shackle hitting on the frame. Instead of making a new mount and trying to make the shackle work I installed some sliders. The suspension moves alot easier. Great solution. How fast is the car? 60 ft? 8..603 156 mph best, 2905 lbs 549, indy 572-13, alky

Re: BENEFITS OF A CORRECTED REAR SHACKLE HANGER??? [Re: Todd] #1041272 07/27/11 11:15 AM 07/27/11 11:15 AM
Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,325 Clinton Twp... north of Deetro... L Labratt OP Good Ol Randy B!
Labratt OP Good Ol Randy B! L Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,325 Clinton Twp... north of Deetro...	Todd...NICE SET-UP! I've never seen sliders installed before this! How do they work for you?

Re: BENEFITS OF A CORRECTED REAR SHACKLE HANGER??? [Re: Labratt] #1041273 07/27/11 11:24 AM 07/27/11 11:24 AM
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,495 Shelby mi. J JAKE68 pro stock
JAKE68 pro stock J Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,495 Shelby mi.	Quote: Can I get some "Real World" opinions...from the actual experience of correcting a "neautral" angle(straight up and down)to a "corrected" angle of 30 degrees forward(top of shackle)? I'm VERY curious as to the difference it made in the 60' times! I am talking about Super Stock springs. My angle is at this position because I'm using the 002/003 A-Body springs on my '69' GTX....and apparently the rear attaching point has to be moved forward 1-1/1/2" Thanks in advance for your information! Randy B. There is no REAL WORD opinions that can be given. A paqckage has to totaly work with everything to be right. It is given that your package is not right. Fix it and you will see REAL WORLD if it worked or not. But it needs fixing JAKES AUTOMOTIVE

Re: BENEFITS OF A CORRECTED REAR SHACKLE HANGER??? [Re: Labratt] #1041274 07/27/11 11:41 AM 07/27/11 11:41 AM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,377 Ohio Todd pro stock
Todd pro stock Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,377 Ohio	Quote: Todd...NICE SET-UP! I've never seen sliders installed before this! How do they work for you? Thanks! I havnt run the car before with the shakles but only once with the sliders and was having engine problems so the 60' really sucked. other than that I like them. Got them from speedway motors. They have 2 kinds ones with the bearings and ones without. The pic is with the suspension hanging all the way extended. 6749101-2011-06-1115.37.02(Large).jpg (63 downloads) Last edited by Todd; 07/27/11 11:52 AM.

Re: BENEFITS OF A CORRECTED REAR SHACKLE HANGER??? [Re: Labratt] #1041275 07/27/11 12:48 PM 07/27/11 12:48 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,009 Richmond Twp. Mi. Mr340 super stock
Mr340 super stock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,009 Richmond Twp. Mi.	Randy, Get that Shackle mount moved and bring it out to Ubly this Saturday.

Re: BENEFITS OF A CORRECTED REAR SHACKLE HANGER??? [Re: Todd] #1041276 07/27/11 01:07 PM 07/27/11 01:07 PM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 155 Tulsa oklahoma USA 2 2734bbl member
2734bbl member 2 Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 155 Tulsa oklahoma USA	Quote: I had a problem with the shackle hitting on the frame. Instead of making a new mount and trying to make the shackle work I installed some sliders. The suspension moves alot easier. My shackles hit also and the car rides really stiff. I like the look of the sliders. Last edited by 2734bbl; 07/27/11 01:09 PM.

Re: BENEFITS OF A CORRECTED REAR SHACKLE HANGER??? [Re: 2734bbl] #1041277 07/27/11 01:17 PM 07/27/11 01:17 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: Quote: I had a problem with the shackle hitting on the frame. Instead of making a new mount and trying to make the shackle work I installed some sliders. The suspension moves alot easier. My shackles hit also and the car rides really stiff. I like the look of the sliders. They must be hitting on the back(rear) side of the shackle... if they hit then the spring just went solid and it rides stiff

Re: BENEFITS OF A CORRECTED REAR SHACKLE HANGER??? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1041278 07/27/11 01:28 PM 07/27/11 01:28 PM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 155 Tulsa oklahoma USA 2 2734bbl member
2734bbl member 2 Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 155 Tulsa oklahoma USA	Quote: Quote: Quote: I had a problem with the shackle hitting on the frame. Instead of making a new mount and trying to make the shackle work I installed some sliders. The suspension moves alot easier. My shackles hit also and the car rides really stiff. I like the look of the sliders. They must be hitting on the back(rear) side of the shackle... if they hit then the spring just went solid and it rides stiff Correct. Hooks great but rides like a buckboard.

Re: BENEFITS OF A CORRECTED REAR SHACKLE HANGER??? [Re: Mr340] #1041279 07/27/11 02:01 PM 07/27/11 02:01 PM
Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,325 Clinton Twp... north of Deetro... L Labratt OP Good Ol Randy B!
Labratt OP Good Ol Randy B! L Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,325 Clinton Twp... north of Deetro...	Hey,Gary! No can do!...I've got a lot of "stuff" to sort..and clean up for a garage/pole barn sale on Sunday,Aug.7th! Never realized how much a person could accumulate in 10 yrs.!!! Have fun!...gonna be another HOT one! I'm waiting for those 70 degree temps to roll around again! Keep me posted!

Re: BENEFITS OF A CORRECTED REAR SHACKLE HANGER??? [Re: Labratt] #1041280 07/27/11 02:54 PM 07/27/11 02:54 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,840 The Swamp S Sixpak master
Sixpak master S Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,840 The Swamp	There's a low buck solution to this issue. Make a 2" or so spacer that goes between the shackle mount on the body and the top shackle bracket. Some 2 x 2 or 2 x 3 steel tubing, a sawzall, a few drill holes and you're in business. Here's something I made years ago. Crude but effective, and cheap. By the way, the picture was taken with the car on jackstands under the body, not the suspension. Resting on its wheels, the shackle pointed at 4 o clock. And today I would not use the Mr Gasket long shackles - I'd use stock ones. 6749373-P1010065.JPG (84 downloads)

Re: BENEFITS OF A CORRECTED REAR SHACKLE HANGER??? [Re: Todd] #1041281 07/27/11 03:01 PM 07/27/11 03:01 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,840 The Swamp S Sixpak master
Sixpak master S Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,840 The Swamp	Quote: I had a problem with the shackle hitting on the frame. Instead of making a new mount and trying to make the shackle work I installed some sliders. The suspension moves alot easier. Is the car weight off the suspension in your pic? It looks like all the forward travel in the slider is used up. I would think that you'd need the rear leaf eye bolt, at rest, to be towards the back, and as the chassis rises the rear spring bolt would want to move forward.

Re: BENEFITS OF A CORRECTED REAR SHACKLE HANGER??? [Re: Sixpak] #1041282 07/27/11 03:18 PM 07/27/11 03:18 PM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,377 Ohio Todd pro stock
Todd pro stock Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,377 Ohio	Quote: Quote: I had a problem with the shackle hitting on the frame. Instead of making a new mount and trying to make the shackle work I installed some sliders. The suspension moves alot easier. Is the car weight off the suspension in your pic? It looks like all the forward travel in the slider is used up. I would think that you'd need the rear leaf eye bolt, at rest, to be towards the back, and as the chassis rises the rear spring bolt would want to move forward. Yes its with the suspension hanging. With it on the ground the spring bolt is an inch from the rear of the slot. The springs are almost level at ride height so their not gonna bottom out on the rear side.

Re: BENEFITS OF A CORRECTED REAR SHACKLE HANGER??? [Re: Todd] #1041283 07/27/11 04:04 PM 07/27/11 04:04 PM
Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,675 Akron, Ohio U.S.A. roadhazard master
roadhazard master Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,675 Akron, Ohio U.S.A.	Todd you have a SWEET looking ride With the tires off the ground do you still have an inch or so for the slider to still move forward when the springs arch? Randy I'd also follow the advise to use the stock rear shackle over the aftermarket ones. Also when you do get everything all set up don't forget to check rear shock length with the suspension hanging Also what's the wheelbase on your car Randy?

Re: BENEFITS OF A CORRECTED REAR SHACKLE HANGER??? [Re: roadhazard] #1041284 07/27/11 04:28 PM 07/27/11 04:28 PM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,377 Ohio Todd pro stock
Todd pro stock Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,377 Ohio	Quote: Todd you have a SWEET looking ride With the tires off the ground do you still have an inch or so for the slider to still move forward when the springs arch? Randy I'd also follow the advise to use the stock rear shackle over the aftermarket ones. Also when you do get everything all set up don't forget to check rear shock length with the suspension hanging Also what's the wheelbase on your car Randy? With the tires off the ground the slider is all the way forward. It will never get that far cuz its got ladder bars and floaters on the axle.

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