Alternative to Body Solder
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I was looking a using body solder to fill the seams of a roof I welded on my 69 Charger and filling in the deep recesses on each side of the dutchman panel. Lead solder seemed like the best thing but is hard to use. Looking at the Metal to Metal brand filler. Any thing better out there? Thanks, Carl 
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Re: Alternative to Body Solder
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I'll look it up, that is exactly what I am using it for. An old friend of mine swear by J.B. Weld. He has used it for years but does not hold on to cars long so it is hard to judge long term results. Eastwood just came out with a new metal leveling product called Lab-metal which look interesting but has no reviews yet.
I also have to do some minor rear window channel repairs and wonder if the All Metal will work.
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Carl
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Re: Alternative to Body Solder
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I will be replacing the vinyl top, but what do you mean by "telegraph"?
I was looking at the East Wood Solder kit but was worried about the plastic range starting at 428 degrees. Have you tried it before?
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Carl
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Re: Alternative to Body Solder
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I will no longer use the metal fillers on seams. I have had a roof seam and a rocker seam crack after being painted.
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Re: Alternative to Body Solder
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I will be replacing the vinyl top, but what do you mean by "telegraph"?
Telegraph........................
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Re: Alternative to Body Solder
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I gave up on 'All Metal' years ago. Maybe I'm just a klutz but at that time the hardner was clear. You didn't get a color change like you do with autobody filler. One time I would get too much hardner (with predictable results) and the next time too little (again with predictable results). I resorted to welding the seam and then using filler but I'm going to try the Eastwood metal system next time.
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Re: Alternative to Body Solder
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Mar glass......
Mar Glas is a great product, but not for use in the C pillar
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Re: Alternative to Body Solder
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Old school all the way man, Body solder is "THE" only option for roof sail panel joints and rocker seams. Of course this is just personal preference and why would I want to ruin a perfectly great paint job by using an inferior product that will fail? Yes it is more expensive when compared to plastic fillers but paint material cost's are higher yet! Solder is all that I use in my shop. JC. 
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"Lead Solder is the STANDARD by which plastic fillers are judged".
I always believed that plastic fillers will "shrink" over time (even so little), whereas lead is there to stay. The real trick with leading is the 1st step: the tinning. That thin layer establishes the "bond" to the base metal by which the thicker lead will melt onto. At good bond there is as-good as lead onto copper or brass; & those bonds (house plumbing) last a long time.
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Re: Alternative to Body Solder
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Avoid the Metal to Metal/ All Metal fillers, unless your going to put a vinyl top on it, that way when the C pillars "telegraph", you won't notice it as much.... 
Or you could use Eastwood.com leadfree solder kit, it's much more user friendlier than pure lead, by having a 360 degree melting point vs leads 670 degree melting point, easy enough to use a hand held Mapp/ Propane torch 
Is it safe to say that this product would be helpful in filling pinholes from patch panel welding? I hesitate to prime and smear filler over pinholes fo fear of a failure later.
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I ended up ordering the regular body solder kit from Eastwood along with extra solder. I liked the idea of the lead free solder but due to cost and the higher melting range (according to their site) went with the traditional lead. I also wanted to try out the tried and tested method. Only down side is you can't sand the lead.
Will a painter's mask give protection from the lead fumes while melting?
Thanks,
CAC
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Re: Alternative to Body Solder
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Only down side is you can't sand the lead
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CAC
There's files for carving lead if needed
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Re: Alternative to Body Solder
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I ended up ordering the regular body solder kit from Eastwood along with extra solder. I liked the idea of the lead free solder but due to cost and the higher melting range (according to their site) went with the traditional lead. I also wanted to try out the tried and tested method. Only down side is you can't sand the lead.
Will a painter's mask give protection from the lead fumes while melting?
Yes it can be sanded. Best with open type paper. Best by hand (w/gloves) sanding, as any power tool will kick the dust all over the place. Any mask/filter that can filter vapors/fumes, will filter lead dust/chips. Really don't need a mask when using files, unless it's windy where working. It just falls to floor.
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I started doing my cars that way about 15 years ago and havent had any problem I weld the seam solid then create a metal piece over the seam that makes it flush to the two surfaces then use minimal filler. The only place I found a use for solder these days is around pinch weld seams like drip rails , some custom work ect ect.
