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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa.
[Re: Chris'sBarracuda]
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08/13/08 10:29 PM
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Yeah I'm pretty much in the same boat at cgvw of 23,500 on the GMC, I have mondo air bags and am getting in touch with the dealer to see if there is anything showing an increase in capacity...????
It is just registered as a trailer here in FLA no weight on the registration what so ever. My tuck reg shows 11,400. Probably gonna get my CDL, which sucks because I could have grandfathered back in the day, but didn't need it 
I'm supposed to go to the dealer tomorrow to look at a 450 dually crew cab they are trying to sell me... 
I long hauled produce and textiles mostly and only had problems in Mississippi...they suck 
Rickster
I'm thinking that by putting 19.5's on the truck it would add to the CGVW. I am going to check that out.
Don't have to worry about any of this yet. Car is still not even close to being fixed after I wrecked it... 
But I want to know where I stand before I use the rig again. 
Billy D.
Let me know what you find out on the 19.5's Bill... 
Rickster
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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa.
[Re: Chris'sBarracuda]
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08/13/08 10:52 PM
08/13/08 10:52 PM
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I'm thinking that by putting 19.5's on the truck it would add to the CGVW. I am going to check that out.
Billy D.
Say what?
The chassis manufacturer or final builder has the responsibility of certifying allowable weights for your vehicle that should be on the drivers door frame with suggested tire size for that rating. If you intentionally undersize a tire, a DOT inspector could use the lower rating based on the lower rated tire. But you cannot legally increase the manufacturer rating by going to a larger tire. The chassis weight rating is based on many items that become part of a system such as rims, brakes, hubs, frame rails, springs, etc, not just the tires. 
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa.
[Re: jcc]
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08/13/08 11:06 PM
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I'm thinking that by putting 19.5's on the truck it would add to the CGVW. I am going to check that out.
Billy D.
Say what?
The chassis manufacturer or final builder has the responsibility of certifying allowable weights for your vehicle that should be on the drivers door frame with suggested tire size for that rating. If you intentionally undersize a tire, a DOT inspector could use the lower rating based on the lower rated tire. But you cannot legally increase the manufacturer rating by going to a larger tire. The chassis weight rating is based on many items that become part of a system such as rims, brakes, hubs, frame rails, springs, etc, not just the tires.
And you know this how?
I am still going to see if it makes a difference.
It makes just about as much sense as this thread.
Getting people all worked up that they can't tow their flatbed trailer with their race car without a CDL.
Raff..Weigh the whole thing hooked up so you can get each axle wt. 
Billy D.
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08/14/08 02:16 AM
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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa.
[Re: jcc]
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08/14/08 07:52 AM
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I'm thinking that by putting 19.5's on the truck it would add to the CGVW. I am going to check that out.
Billy D.
Say what?
The chassis manufacturer or final builder has the responsibility of certifying allowable weights for your vehicle that should be on the drivers door frame with suggested tire size for that rating. If you intentionally undersize a tire, a DOT inspector could use the lower rating based on the lower rated tire. But you cannot legally increase the manufacturer rating by going to a larger tire. The chassis weight rating is based on many items that become part of a system such as rims, brakes, hubs, frame rails, springs, etc, not just the tires.
Mr. Know it all: Not sure if the 19.5's are gonna make a difference, but it's worth a look. I do know you can raise the capacity by; adding springs, beefing up suspension, adding plates to frames, etc. and have them re-certified
Your statement is incorrect... 
Rickster
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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa.
[Re: rickstershemi]
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08/14/08 08:19 AM
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I'm thinking that by putting 19.5's on the truck it would add to the CGVW. I am going to check that out.
Billy D.
Say what?
The chassis manufacturer or final builder has the responsibility of certifying allowable weights for your vehicle that should be on the drivers door frame with suggested tire size for that rating. If you intentionally undersize a tire, a DOT inspector could use the lower rating based on the lower rated tire. But you cannot legally increase the manufacturer rating by going to a larger tire. The chassis weight rating is based on many items that become part of a system such as rims, brakes, hubs, frame rails, springs, etc, not just the tires.
Mr. Know it all: Not sure if the 19.5's are gonna make a difference, but it's worth a look. I do know you can raise the capacity by; adding springs, beefing up suspension, adding plates to frames, etc. and have them re-certified
Your statement is incorrect...
Rickster
Enough with the labels. The problem with what you are suggesting is getting a truck recertified. Years past you might have been able to get a legit final chassis builder to recertify a vehicle when likely they upgraded a item that had already been thru proper design engineering and testing. This final builder is extremely liable for what they certify. I would doubt today with a sue happy climate if you can get anybody legit to recertify a rating on a truck for some customer spec'd item.
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa.
[Re: jcc]
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08/14/08 09:04 AM
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The problem I have is that the truck is not HAULING the total weight, it is PULLING it. The truck and the trailer are two separate vehicles, and must have separate plates. If not, one would only need truck plates and none on the trailer.
It will be interesting to see how Bob makes out at his hearing.
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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa.
[Re: KillerBee]
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08/14/08 09:28 AM
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Anybody know the laws if I have a dealer plate on my truck while towing my trailer?
Not sure about Ohio but I believe the only way you can have a dealer plate on a vehicle is on a vehicle owned by that dealer. Your personal vehicle titled to you doesn't qualify IIRC.
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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa.
[Re: Prostock]
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08/14/08 09:55 AM
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Anybody know the laws if I have a dealer plate on my truck while towing my trailer?
Not sure about Ohio but I believe the only way you can have a dealer plate on a vehicle is on a vehicle owned by that dealer. Your personal vehicle titled to you doesn't qualify IIRC.
also the laws governing dealer plates are pretty much against the plate being used for anything other than the transport or sale of the vehicle...towing a trailer to a race would most likely get the tag pulled if you got busted.
Rickster
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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa.
[Re: jcc]
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08/14/08 11:01 AM
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There has been a rash of accidents across the country lately involving towing.
Not sure I agree with the "rash" part. If coming from the enforcers, it sounds a little self serving or a basis for job security.
Like Bob stated earlier, there was an accident here recently that a wood chipper disconnected from the truck towing it, hit a minivan and killed almost an entire family, including children. Enforcement has been stepped up around here since then.
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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa.
[Re: jcc]
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08/14/08 11:56 AM
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Like Bob stated earlier, there was an accident here recently that a wood chipper disconnected from the truck towing it, hit a minivan and killed almost an entire family, including children. Enforcement has been stepped up around here since then.
Sorry to hear that, but wouldn't the common sense response to that maybe a step up of safety chain inspections?
To me yes,, but have you ever seen the government take a common sense approach to any thing?? 
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