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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa.
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08/11/08 03:22 PM
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I would guess that this makes everyone hauling their race cars on open trailers with half ton pickups an easy mark. What a money maker.
Bob, if I understand this correct, if the truck has a 6000 GVW, and the trailer weighs 2000, the car another 3500, for a total of 11,500, the truck has to be licensed for that, the total weight? That correct?
Under that scenario, one would almost have to have a one ton truck to even pull an open trailer.
This makes open season on horse trailers, contractors, landscape guys hauling small equipment, race cars, virtually everything. I remember the incident you quote where the cokehead killed a bunch of innocents, and agree that sort of thing has to be addressed.
But, this is not the way. I have no problem with them checking the trailers for inspection, making sure brakes work, etc., but beating the citizens out of a thousand bucks a clip is going to kill business in Pennsyvlania even more.
I gotta tell you, this has all the markings of another money grab by the current state administration. Fast Eddie is the best at separating you from your money....and he's my boss!!
"Old age and treachery trumps youth and enthusiasm, every time!" East Central Director / Chrysler Power Magazine www.reasbeckracing.webs.com
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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa.
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08/11/08 03:25 PM
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so a simple solution is to weigh the whole truck and rig and retag the g.w. accordingly ?? or does the non commercial proclamation "NOT FOR HIRE" lettering on the truck exempt you from commercial status?
NOT FOR HIRE means nothing. If you haul something in the trailer/with the truck, you ARE using it for a commercial purpose. Swap meet, car show, little league equipment...doesn't matter. In the "old days" it helped with not having to have log books, CDL's, etc...not anymore.
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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa.
[Re: Steve1118]
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08/11/08 03:27 PM
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You got it right when you said money grab. It is all about the money. At some point in time the people will have had enough. I reached that point years ago.
Looks like PA is off my list of places I wanted to race, too bad. Looks like a lot of nice folks, and racers out there.
-Dave
PLEASE Pray for our brothers and sisters in harms way. If you are the owner of a GTS us at the GTS Registry www.gtsregistry.com
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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa.
[Re: B G Racing]
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08/11/08 03:34 PM
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The big problem that has exist in Pa is that many of the enforcement people don't clearly understand the transportation laws for both inter and intra state as well as the agriculture exemptions,construction( Pa.tow behind act of 1981,and so forth)It has been up to the discretion of the enforcement offices at the time of incident.Now because of the public outcry for legislation(gov't to save us from our selves)do we find the noose tightening and states following the Federal guidlines.We are also in the constuction industry and was in to farming and can only say that the state regulations differ from the Federal regs,but when it comes down to legal interpitation the Federal takes president.
That's a big problem everywhere, I'd guess. We're (My Saftey Supervisor) is currently going around and around with the CHP involving the recent ticketing of our trucks due to overlength tickets...on a route we've been driving on (with no citations) for over 20 years!! All of a sudden we're getting ticktes and NO TWO people at the CHP can agree on why. Even the COMMERCIAL SUPERVISOR doesn't have the knowledge of why we're getting ticketed...BY CHP officers for God's sake!!
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08/11/08 03:41 PM
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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa.
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08/11/08 03:56 PM
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Steve,you are correct.Fred I told the pleasent officer that I raced for a hobby not profit,he said he didn't care if I got a trophy or blue ribbon for a pie contest,the State Of Pa wants their money and I will be bound by the gross vehicle weight regulations if I was carrying goats,pigs,gerbils(for Fred)There is no distinction for profit or non-profit,the only exemption would be for Receational plated vehicles.So if your hauling you Aunts upright piano and it puts you over your gvw your screwed. 
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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa.
[Re: jcc]
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08/11/08 04:07 PM
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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa.
[Re: jcc]
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08/11/08 04:13 PM
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the only exemption would be for Receational plated vehicles.So if your hauling you Aunts upright piano and it puts you over your gvw your screwed.
Not sure if I agree with that, and strangely we are only going by the definition given by the enforcer (the DOT officer) and not by the defintion decided by the decider ( a judge). And as another poster stated very plainly, the current laws are so obtuse, arbitrary, and complicated, you can't get even two officers to agree on amost anything in the same dept.
Anybody collecting $1100 for 1/2hr worth of effort ought to be pleasant.
So Everybody ready to replate as a RV?
That's why I'am asking for a hearing,the local magistrate might have a different interpitation.She is a great person and personal friend of some of our racers   I'am still reregitering my truck since I do a lot of traveling.
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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa.
[Re: aarlucas]
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08/11/08 04:33 PM
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I think I am legal with my truck. My truck GVW is 11500. I have it registered at 19999. My trailer is 10000 GVW. My truck actual weight is 7800 lbs empty with me and my trailer is right at 10K loaded. So by my math I am at 17800 GVW when riding down the road and in Florida as long as I don't exceed 65' total lenght I believe I am safe. So did I do everything right?
You didn't mention whether it could be considered Commercial use or not? Be very certain you never exceed 10,000lbs on on trailer, I don't remember if the break point on the trailer is 10,000, or 10,0001 lbs you make want to find out and reregister trailer and minor cost if that applies( you do not get to deduct tongue weight). You also did not mentioned whether its diesel ( fuel permits on interstate travel , usually when exceeding 26,000lbs) trip permits, etc. If you seldom leave the state, the better. Don't haul any hazard materials you don't have to ( race car fuel tank is OK) I am not an expert, I've just been tripped up a number of times. "safe" is hard to answer, but it does sound right.
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa.
[Re: jcc]
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08/11/08 04:40 PM
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You didn't mention whether it could be considered Commercial use or not? Be very certain you never exceed 10,000lbs on on trailer, I don't remember if the break point on the trailer is 10,000, or 10,0001 lbs you make want to find out and reregister trailer and minor cost if that applies( you do not get to deduct tongue weight). You also did not mentioned whether its diesel ( fuel permits on interstate travel , usually when exceeding 26,000lbs) trip permits, etc. If you seldom leave the state, the better. Don't haul any hazard materials you don't have to ( race car fuel tank is OK) I am not an expert, I've just been tripped up a number of times. "safe" is hard to answer, but it does sound right.
Car shows and drag racing and no decals are on anything. I guess Commercial use is in the eye of the beholder at this point. The truck is a Dodge dually with a diesel. Rarely leave the state of Florida. I go to Georgia every now and then though.
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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa.
[Re: jcc]
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08/11/08 04:54 PM
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You didn't mention whether it could be considered Commercial use or not? Be very certain you never exceed 10,000lbs on on trailer, I don't remember if the break point on the trailer is 10,000, or 10,0001 lbs you make want to find out and reregister trailer and minor cost if that applies( you do not get to deduct tongue weight). You also did not mentioned whether its diesel ( fuel permits on interstate travel , usually when exceeding 26,000lbs) trip permits, etc. If you seldom leave the state, the better. Don't haul any hazard materials you don't have to ( race car fuel tank is OK) I am not an expert, I've just been tripped up a number of times. "safe" is hard to answer, but it does sound right.
You keep referring to registering your trailer. I'm
in Mich here and for a private trailer(non-commercial)
we have a permanent plate and I haul it with my
pick up with a normal pick up plate. Also I was told
by Chrylers Hasmat group we could haul less than
110 gals of fuel otherwise I had to have a CDL. So
from what your saying I have no idea if I'm legal
or not 
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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa.
[Re: aarlucas]
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08/11/08 05:07 PM
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USDOT/FHWA- Code of Federal Regulations. http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/...0&TYPE=TEXT Commercial motor vehicle means any self-propelled or towed motor vehicle used on a highway in interstate commerce to transport passengers or property when the vehicle-- (1) Has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross combination weight , or gross vehicle weight or gross combination weight, of 4,536 kg (10,001 pounds) or more, whichever is greater; or (2) Is designed or used to transport more than 8 passengers (including the driver) for compensation; or (3) Is designed or used to transport more than 15 passengers, including the driver, and is not used to transport passengers for compensation; or (4) Is used in transporting material found by the Secretary of Transportation to be hazardous under 49 U.S.C. 5103 and transported in a quantity requiring placarding under regulations prescribed by the Secretary under 49 CFR, subtitle B, chapter I, subchapter C. In Maryland DOT has been pulling over landscaping company pickup trucks with trailers behind them and busting them for not having DOT# or USDOT# and medical cards when they are over 10,000 GCVW. The biggest thing is having the medical card. It will be interesting now that we are expected to be managed by the DOT as commercial enterprises and then the IRS wants to declare racing for most of us as a "Hobby". The way I feel the gov't can't have it both ways. 
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