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Re: Mopar Heads-Up Small Tire Race #2 in Ohio [Re: JLC] #1011917
06/19/11 11:17 PM
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because they dont want to or because no one is giving them a place to race that is fun?

Re: Mopar Heads-Up Small Tire Race #2 in Ohio [Re: joshking440] #1011918
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they have been given a place, i put on the kos reunion a few yrs ago, 25.00 entry for 3 days, spent 600.00 on cook-out, gave everyone a 100.00 goodie bag, pd everyone that lined up sunday morning, so yeah they had a place , they said they would come

Re: Mopar Heads-Up Small Tire Race #2 in Ohio [Re: sixpakx] #1011919
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well if someone can put me in contact with them, i will give them a call and see if i can get them to commit

Re: Mopar Heads-Up Small Tire Race #2 in Ohio [Re: joshking440] #1011920
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So what exactly are the weights for this race? I think they really need to be lowered to something close to what you would race anywhere else if you use the rules we used in KY. The only combo that has to weigh 3300 should be BB with twins or f-3, nitrous BB should be 3000, 3100, and -400 or -500 for a sb nitrous like everywhere else does it.


One day I will have something cool here.
Re: Mopar Heads-Up Small Tire Race #2 in Ohio [Re: sdaurity] #1011921
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Come on everyone let make plans to attend this event this could be 1st of many @ that track

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Re: Mopar Heads-Up Small Tire Race #2 in Ohio [Re: sdaurity] #1011922
06/20/11 11:11 PM
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Here is the flyer for the race with the weights on it.

6692493-PictureofRace.JPG (168 downloads)
Re: Mopar Heads-Up Small Tire Race #2 in Ohio [Re: sixpakx] #1011923
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i should be there with the road runner and having a bunch more heads up t-shirts made




Hope to see you at the race. Better bring a lot of those shirts people seem to love them.

Re: Mopar Heads-Up Small Tire Race #2 in Ohio [Re: 67mprfan] #1011924
06/20/11 11:24 PM
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Brad that chrome on your r/t is really shining....lol




Some guy in Columbus polished it for me! I think he has a Demon in the works

Re: Mopar Heads-Up Small Tire Race #2 in Ohio [Re: sdaurity] #1011925
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So what exactly are the weights for this race? I think they really need to be lowered to something close to what you would race anywhere else if you use the rules we used in KY. The only combo that has to weigh 3300 should be BB with twins or f-3, nitrous BB should be 3000, 3100, and -400 or -500 for a sb nitrous like everywhere else does it.




Weights are very close to KY Race and they had a good turn out there. We will look at lowering the weights for next year a lot of people are saying that weights are too high. I posted a flyer with the weights on it.

Re: Mopar Heads-Up Small Tire Race #2 in Ohio [Re: R/T BRAD] #1011926
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So what exactly are the weights for this race? I think they really need to be lowered to something close to what you would race anywhere else if you use the rules we used in KY. The only combo that has to weigh 3300 should be BB with twins or f-3, nitrous BB should be 3000, 3100, and -400 or -500 for a sb nitrous like everywhere else does it.




Weights are very close to KY Race and they had a good turn out there. We will look at lowering the weights for next year a lot of people are saying that weights are too high. I posted a flyer with the weights on it.




I wouldn't change the weights much other than possibly dropping BB n/a down as there should be a bigger break than 100 lbs between it and SB PA.Your weights are very close to most heads up TT5 series around the country are. JMHO


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Re: Mopar Heads-Up Small Tire Race #2 in Ohio [Re: Get-X] #1011927
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So what exactly are the weights for this race? I think they really need to be lowered to something close to what you would race anywhere else if you use the rules we used in KY. The only combo that has to weigh 3300 should be BB with twins or f-3, nitrous BB should be 3000, 3100, and -400 or -500 for a sb nitrous like everywhere else does it.




Weights are very close to KY Race and they had a good turn out there. We will look at lowering the weights for next year a lot of people are saying that weights are too high. I posted a flyer with the weights on it.




I wouldn't change the weights much other than possibly dropping BB n/a down as there should be a bigger break than 100 lbs between it and SB PA.Your weights are very close to most heads up TT5 series around the country are. JMHO





Weights are not even close to other series. You want basically an oulaw radial/ limited street style race, why not use their weights? The heaviest combo shoud be BB with twins or f-3 139 or twin f-2 @3300. No way a nitrous BB should have to weigh the same, who is making more power? And you want a nitrous smallblock @3100 their only down over 1000hp, they should be at a minimum of 2700 lbs. To me you can't say all power adder cars weigh the same say drop na weights 200lbs and say -200lbs for nitrous would get you alot closer IMHO.


One day I will have something cool here.
Re: Mopar Heads-Up Small Tire Race #2 in Ohio [Re: sdaurity] #1011928
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If my superbee could compete in T/A,EZ STREET,D/R at a weight 3875 and class weight was 3400 and still compete than others can to.I would race anywhere anytime nomatter the weight or track conditions.

Re: Mopar Heads-Up Small Tire Race #2 in Ohio [Re: Fastbird] #1011929
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Well good for you. I'm just telling everybody that these weights are crazy. You cant expect someone to add 400lbs to race this race and everywhere else they race you can weigh 3000 lbs. If you want outlaw style rules you need the outlaw weights to go along with it. Does anybody think I'm crazy for saying a nitrous car should not have to weigh as much as a boosted car with the same style engine?


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Re: Mopar Heads-Up Small Tire Race #2 in Ohio [Re: sdaurity] #1011930
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Well good for you. I'm just telling everybody that these weights are crazy. You cant expect someone to add 400lbs to race this race and everywhere else they race you can weigh 3000 lbs. If you want outlaw style rules you need the outlaw weights to go along with it. Does anybody think I'm crazy for saying a nitrous car should not have to weigh as much as a boosted car with the same style engine?


I totally agree and I run a 360 inch motor with a Precision 98 mm turbo. Rules are in my favor. I am the heaviest car in our local series, and soon to be the fastest. Lol. I still hold our local smallblock nitrous record at a 5.41. That was 3 years ago at 3263#. Current smallblock combos are 2800# with a 23* head and 2950# with 18* or less. 434 cu in max smallblock nos and 572 bb nos. Forced induction ic 363 max sb and 468 bb. Ann fi car has to weigh 3550#. And sb fi is 3200# with 23*heads or 3350# with 18* or less. This has made our class ali more competitive. But you will never make everyone happy, I can promise you that.


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Re: Mopar Heads-Up Small Tire Race #2 in Ohio [Re: sdaurity] #1011931
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If this is a free entry race,lower the weights so you can get more cars involved,at the end of the day the tire is going to be the decideing factor anyways.and what about a weight break for low deck blocks(lol)

Re: Mopar Heads-Up Small Tire Race #2 in Ohio [Re: old yeller] #1011932
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Its a tough call. There are good arguments both ways. But in the end I wish we would have lowered the weights for our race. It might would have brought a few more cars in . If its a series with multiple races then you need all kinds of rules and different weight amounts for different combos. But for a one time race or to try and get something going it needs to be a lower weight so everyone can get there. Every outlaw type race that I have ever raced at had BB power adder cars at 3000#. We went with 3300# on our race just because the majority of the cars were overweight anyway and that seemed to be what everyone wanted. Do what you want but at least lower it to 3200 or so for BB power adder. I do think 3400 is way too much.

Re: Mopar Heads-Up Small Tire Race #2 in Ohio [Re: sdaurity] #1011933
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..... Does anybody think I'm crazy for saying a nitrous car should not have to weigh as much as a boosted car with the same style engine?




I think you're right on the money, but I can see where these guys want to make rules as simple as possible.....More rules equals more Tech.....which gets harder and harder to do, especially if it's only at a couple race/year...
If it were me, I'd had have NO weight minimum......just tire size rule and be stock bodied.....and the clocks would be off too....


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Re: Mopar Heads-Up Small Tire Race #2 in Ohio [Re: old yeller] #1011934
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If this is a free entry race,lower the weights so you can get more cars involved,at the end of the day the tire is going to be the decideing factor anyways.and what about a weight break for low deck blocks(lol)


The tire will not be the deciding factor. Power management and chassis tuning will be. The tire has been in the 4.50's and not in a 2400# chassis car. It is capable of more than most of our pocket books can throw at it. Unlimited inches, unlimited power adders, no minimum weight, fiberglass hood, bumpers, and decklid only, no lexan and no wheelie bars. Then let em eat boys. Easy to police it this way.


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Re: Mopar Heads-Up Small Tire Race #2 in Ohio [Re: Big Squeeze] #1011935
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3400 TOO MUCH????

SOUNDS GREAT TO MY 3500LB A$$.....

LMAO.....

IMAGINE MY COMBINATION AT 3000 ?????

EXACTLY WHAT IS 100LBS WORTH IN THE 1/8 ??


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Weights are not even close to other series. You want basically an oulaw radial/ limited street style race, why not use their weights? The heaviest combo shoud be BB with twins or f-3 139 or twin f-2 @3300. No way a nitrous BB should have to weigh the same, who is making more power? And you want a nitrous smallblock @3100 their only down over 1000hp, they should be at a minimum of 2700 lbs. To me you can't say all power adder cars weigh the same say drop na weights 200lbs and say -200lbs for nitrous would get you alot closer IMHO.




I hear ya man, and if there were any outlaw cars coming everything you said would apply. I also agree that 3400 is too heavy for bb N20. A seriuos smalblock single turbo could come there and be very hard to beat for BB n20 cars even if they were lighter, let alone being that heavy. Hell, X275 smallies with a single 88 on a 275 DR went 4.90's @ 150+ mph. Fortunately no serious outlaw 10.5 or O/L DR showed. Outlaw 10.5 cars here run 6.70's @ 200+ mph in the 1/4 mile. This (to me) was more of a small tire, street car shootout, not a heads-up shootout for serious outlaw cars and if one would have shown up, it would have destroyed everyone else there with ease.

All of that being said,the way the rules are there could be a serious player or two that show up, and if they do they will dominate completely. Not sure how to protect against that, the only saving grace is there isn't that many mopar powered outlaw cars around. So the way I see it, the ONLY thing stopping the big boys from coming in and sniping the purse is the heavy weights. Just my humble opinion, your mileage may vary


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