Fresh Rebuild won't turn over by hand...now with cause!
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And it had been fine earlier? This is hand cranking btw... had a stroker short-blcok assembled with cam installed/degreed. I finished the rest of the assembly. clearences were checked, no issues noted. Engine also was rotated with no issues while installing rocker arms (this is a magnum style small block), again, no issues. Everything was going swimmingly. Putting on the torque converter bolts and turned the engine over more than a couple times, again, no issues. Trying to crank it over to TDC for the last time, ran into a bit of an issue....it stopped. Took off the one TC bolt I had gotten on thinking something might be going on there...so now the engine is free of the trans. Still won't turn over. edit:only had one bolt on by that time... What am I missing? EDIT: found culprit!
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Re: Fresh Rebuild won't turn over by hand...
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06/07/11 12:44 PM
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Walked away for bit, now it turns over...weird. Lifters can't be pumping up, since there is no oil pressure...AND no spark plugs in so no compression. Don't know what to make of this
1979 Dodge Lil' Red Express - 360 rwhp, 13.2 @ 103mph 1968 Coronet: 318, 2.76, 15.2 @ 92mph! (SOLD) 1976 Valiant: 360, 3.90, 12.90 @ 106 (SOLD) 1989 Shelby CSX #500/500
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Re: Fresh Rebuild won't turn over by hand...
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06/07/11 12:46 PM
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but as stated, now turning over....very weird.
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Re: Fresh Rebuild won't turn over by hand...
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Did you pump up all the lifters out side the engine before installing them? Some of them could still have residual oil holding them too far open, then when they bleed down it can turn. Could also be fluid in the cylinders, easy enough to pull a plug and see.
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Re: Fresh Rebuild won't turn over by hand...
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Found the culprit...a TC bolt had not backed out per se...but was only started. So as the TC was bolted in, the head came closer to the block. For some reason, I thought I had all the bolts out. Now though, I've got to find the bolt as it was only started...not really threaded in, the bolt hit the block, came out, and is now somehwere in the bellhousing Oh well...that's a solveable prob. Worst case is take the engine apart from the trans and get it by hand. Going to try magnet though to retrieve it any other suggestions, tricks, I'd appreciate!
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Re: Fresh Rebuild won't turn over by hand...
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06/07/11 04:50 PM
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Now though, I've got to find the bolt as it was only started...not really threaded in, the bolt hit the block, came out, and is now somehwere in the bellhousing
Seems unlikely that it would be in the bell area but I suppose it could be. If it was knocked out by the block it could have skittered a long way on the garage floor.
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any other suggestions, tricks, I'd appreciate!
Jack up the back of the car as high as you can. A bent Coat hanger or welding rod will work better than a magnet to flip the bolt out. A magnet will just keep sticking to the converter.
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Re: Fresh Rebuild won't turn over by hand...
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06/07/11 07:01 PM
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It ended up being on the horizontal ribbing going across the back of the engine block. Here was the problem...COULD NOT SEE IT AT ALL. Tried using all manner of mirrors to look around the bellhousing and block but never could get enough light or a good enough angle. Tried blindly sticking a bent coat hanger all over, and wasn't getting it....so with that, it was pull the engine back out. As soon as the engine was away from the trans and could now clearly see where it was, got a good line on it and grabbed it with the magnet. it took about 2 hours to get it right back from where I was and then some with all the torque converter bolts threaded in properly I sure hope I learned something from this
1979 Dodge Lil' Red Express - 360 rwhp, 13.2 @ 103mph 1968 Coronet: 318, 2.76, 15.2 @ 92mph! (SOLD) 1976 Valiant: 360, 3.90, 12.90 @ 106 (SOLD) 1989 Shelby CSX #500/500
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