i can see that now. through my screen............ biggrin
i know, no pictures. i am a dumazz for sure !
if i ovaled them lengthwise more, as you suggested and i should have done in the first place, i will end up with a very thin cross section pipe in the middle.
i'm just trying to salvage what i have done [screwed up !] because i don't have any other pipes to use.
this is certainly a learning experience for me ! i will know better the next time !
beer

ps. pictures will come in a day or two. i tried to load pictures with this new operating system i have, and lost them. i have to practice THAT skill as well now........ it never ends. flame