Got it.........Were gonna get a go-pro in the car soon so we can tell whats going on, the tach he has in it is ancient, never heard of it, doubt if its any good, was showing it ticking over@500rpm in the pits, no way. So much to do in my head to get it right, and some think its easy to set a car up by just bolting stuff on. I just hope he has the thirst for ET, really all we need is consistency but to get that it has to be right. ...6400>6600 is way out of the max power band but you never know, certainly doesn't sound anything like it in the traps and it doesn't sound like its picking up rpm near the traps either, sounds a bit flat, more thought has to go into that..........Thanks for the input as always.