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I already have the shocks I was thinking that the bars would be more headache than cure. The reason I ask this is matching the spring rates so the car works. Hotchkis leaves the t-bars out of their package so I was thinking a higher rate wasn't as important as to having matched stock rates.

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MoparPollack - We leave the torsion bars out of the TVS because we know that not everyone wants or needs to replace their T-bars. Plus we sell all the parts in the TVS separately. With that said, the TVS kit is a great kit with some big gains over the typical stock suspension.

If you're starting from scratch on a Dodge Dart you should start with leaf springs and T-bars. Then upgrade shocks and sway bars. Some weld-in subframe connectors are also a big help over stock. You never realize how flexible the car is until you have a set of weld-in connectors. They are much better than bolt-in connectors, especially if you drive your car hard.

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I looked at it this way:

1 Springs/torsion bars are matched from the factory.

2 Matched sway bars would work better with matched factory springs.

3 Messing with one end before the other would make it worse.

4 The car already has frame connectors makes it much more ridgid.

5 Was confused why the torsion bars were left out as if a high rate spring was really needed.