ok, i'll try to help you guys out, racing for money usually causes hard feeling with friends how about aug. 6 or 7 at ubly mopars against the world race, both show up with a case of beer( the other drivers favorite) best 2 out of 3 race in time trials so you can still race the evenings program. after the race drink losers beer and have a good time. now since i helping out here raff and me will drink the winners beer. bob