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B/E&A seat belt sets #95896
07/28/08 08:25 AM
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I'm at the point where I need to get my seat belts sorted out. I have a nice set of blue belts for my '70 blue bench interior however they are a bit fadded and not as bright blue as they should be. The buckles will need painting. Also, the "rubber" protectors for the floor mounted ends have darkened and will need help. I could try the dye thing on the belts, prep and paint the buckles, etc... or I could spring for a B/E&A repro set.

How are these sets? $425 is a pretty penny but at this stage I think I'd be much happier with "NEW" belts. Any feedback?


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Re: B/E&A seat belt sets [Re: 426runner] #95897
07/28/08 08:31 AM
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I bought blue belts for my wife's '70 Barracuda.

I am very impressed with them. The customer service is 2nd to none as well.

Re: B/E&A seat belt sets [Re: Blues_Cuda] #95898
07/29/08 09:02 AM
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I bought a green set and I am also very impressed. Not exact repos and you will have to have the date tag stitched on.

Re: B/E&A seat belt sets [Re: Moparnut] #95899
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If you are looking for any kind of accuracy, you may want to think twice about the BEA belts. The chrome ends on all their 70 belts are actually 71 style ends, it is a glaringly obvious oversight on their part. If that doesn't bug you then no worries.

Re: B/E&A seat belt sets [Re: m46rat] #95900
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I think B/E&A has really filled an important nich with these excellent seatbelts, but for the sake of the OE crowd, could you post pics of 70 vs. 71 chrome piece m46rat? (or type some descriptive text?) I have lots of 70 stuff around here, but not much from 71.

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Tav: I will do it tonight.

Re: B/E&A seat belt sets [Re: m46rat] #95902
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Quote:

If you are looking for any kind of accuracy, you may want to think twice about the BEA belts. The chrome ends on all their 70 belts are actually 71 style ends, it is a glaringly obvious oversight on their part. If that doesn't bug you then no worries.




This is the type of feedback I've been waiting for before buying. Does anyone know about any 1969 inaccuracies?? Form what I've seen or purchased thier interior soft pieces are close but not 100%.

Re: B/E&A seat belt sets [Re: RJS] #95903
07/29/08 04:34 PM
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I was not aware there was a discrepancy with the chrome ends on the 1970 belts. For what it is worth, the shape appears to match the original ends on the shoulder belt from my wife's 70 Barracuda.

(In our particular case, it does not matter, but I could definitely understand the concern for somebody doing a 'correct' car.)

4583987-Dsc06874-1.jpg (160 downloads)
Re: B/E&A seat belt sets [Re: Blues_Cuda] #95904
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Here's another shot.

...and now that it is mentioned, the # 's on the chrome ends are different.

But as I said above, I'm still plenty happy with them for this particular car.

4583989-Dsc06875.jpg (167 downloads)
Re: B/E&A seat belt sets [Re: Blues_Cuda] #95905
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I bought the 69 bucket seat set. They look great compared to the crap I had before, but I don't really know if they are close to original or not as my old stuff was mix matched.


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Re: B/E&A seat belt sets [Re: rtmike] #95906
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Quote:

I bought the 69 bucket seat set. They look great compared to the crap I had before, but I don't really know if they are close to original or not as my old stuff was mix matched.




That's good info so far for 69's, anyone else with first hand experience?

Re: B/E&A seat belt sets [Re: RJS] #95907
07/29/08 09:03 PM
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I am doing a 69 A12 car. I want the stuff to be pretty darn close if I go with the repro's. With there desire for accuracy, and quality, I would think they would offer correct stuff for at least the 69, 70, 71's. I didn't get a chance to compare the real vs memorex, but was told they were correct appearing for 68-69. Hopefully they chime in and give us some feedback. The price is good compared to redoing a set.


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Re: B/E&A seat belt sets [Re: RJS] #95908
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Form what I've seen or purchased thier interior soft pieces are close but not 100%.




please explain.....


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Re: B/E&A seat belt sets [Re: Q5_Ed] #95909
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Here is the pic. as promised. Left side is 1970 right side is 1971. I believe Mike from B E and A offers a refund if you are not happy. I would bet that close to 100% of you who bought his belts never know this difference to begin with. All I can say is, when you settle for repoduction stuff you should ALWAYS be prepared for a substandard product.

Re: B/E&A seat belt sets [Re: m46rat] #95910
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Here is another picture with the original webbing.

Re: B/E&A seat belt sets [Re: m46rat] #95911
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Quote:

Here is the pic. as promised. Left side is 1970 right side is 1971. I believe Mike from B E and A offers a refund if you are not happy. I would bet that close to 100% of you who bought his belts never know this difference to begin with. All I can say is, when you settle for repoduction stuff you should ALWAYS be prepared for a substandard product.




Or you can spend twice as much having Snake-oyl "Restore" yours & you'll have incorrect stitching, possibly incorrect webbing...

I appreciate your knowledge & attention to detail but if you can't relax & enjoy the hobby...

For 99+% I think Mike is offering a great option..

Re: B/E&A seat belt sets [Re: m46rat] #95912
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Blues Cuda: The numbers on the chrome ends are IDENTICAL for both 70 and 71 ends. All Pontonier made belts have identical stamped chrome ends: P-535 is the stamping. A lack of correct information inevitably leads one to settle for reproduction parts.

Re: B/E&A seat belt sets [Re: m46rat] #95913
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A lack of correct information inevitably leads one to settle for reproduction parts.




Or a lack of NOS parts in suffcient quantity to supply all the people that own these cars...

Re: B/E&A seat belt sets [Re: m46rat] #95914
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Blues Cuda: The numbers on the chrome ends are IDENTICAL for both 70 and 71 ends. All Pontonier made belts have identical stamped chrome ends: P-535 is the stamping. A lack of correct information inevitably leads one to settle for reproduction parts.





After looking at your pictures and then the one I took myself today, I can definitely see the difference now.

But will I lose sleep over it? Not a chance.

For giggles, what is the ID of the shoulder belt that I pulled out of my wife's 70 Barracuda?

The stamping on the chrome is "ASE 445685" and it also has "T2 84" in a smaller font.

4585010-SeatBelt1.jpg (85 downloads)
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Here's a shot of the tag sewn on the belt.

I do not recall the rest of the original belts being in the car when we took possession of it, so all I have are shoulder belts to go by for reference.

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