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TTI's, Remflex Gaskets and Torsion bar hitting header
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05/15/11 01:46 PM
05/15/11 01:46 PM
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Installing my front suspension this morning and my Left ( Pass. Side) TB is hitting the header. Is this common? I went to TTI sight and they make no mention of TB issues. I do have the thicker Remflex gaskets, could this be a possible cause of the contact? I need to pull my header as there is no way to dimple this in the place its hitting. What is the best way to put a dent in my ceramic coated headers, wont this muck up the coating? I am attaching a pic of where the #2 tube is making contact, I marked the area and the TB is in the pic straight back. I never thought I would have a TB issue. 1.00 bars isnt that big of a increase in circumference!!  
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Re: TTI's, Remflex Gaskets and Torsion bar hitting header
[Re: moparrulzzz]
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05/15/11 01:56 PM
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Those headers are soooooo shiny, I cant see where they are hitting!
I have 1 inch MP t-bars on the Charger with 2" TTI pipes. Mine clear fine. You may get some room by loosening the motor mount brackets and shifting the motor around a little. Standing from the front, if you raise the driver side and lower the pass. side, it will pull the headers away from the pass side T bar. I know that the motor should sit level in the engine bay, but if its out of level by 1/4" to make the pipes fit, it may never be noticed.
Finally, BELIEVE the instructions regarding the discoloring of the headers! To preserve the nice finish, do NOT break in a fresh cam or engine with these headers. Use a crappy set or iron manifolds, then put these headers back on. The heat of the break-in will fade and dull out that nice shine.
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Re: TTI's, Remflex Gaskets and Torsion bar hitting header
[Re: Neil]
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05/15/11 03:32 PM
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I'd try a thinner header gasket before I took a hammer to my headers. You could probably omit the gasket altogether and just apply a thin coating of copper hi-temp rtv instead.
Another alternative might be to try adding a shim under the engine mount move the engine over enough to get it to clear?
I removed the remflex and tried the supplied TTI gasket...no go.
Going with no gasket still will give me not enough clearance.
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Re: TTI's, Remflex Gaskets and Torsion bar hitting header
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05/15/11 03:34 PM
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Those headers are soooooo shiny, I cant see where they are hitting!
I have 1 inch MP t-bars on the Charger with 2" TTI pipes. Mine clear fine. You may get some room by loosening the motor mount brackets and shifting the motor around a little. Standing from the front, if you raise the driver side and lower the pass. side, it will pull the headers away from the pass side T bar. I know that the motor should sit level in the engine bay, but if its out of level by 1/4" to make the pipes fit, it may never be noticed.
Finally, BELIEVE the instructions regarding the discoloring of the headers! To preserve the nice finish, do NOT break in a fresh cam or engine with these headers. Use a crappy set or iron manifolds, then put these headers back on. The heat of the break-in will fade and dull out that nice shine.
There are two bleck lines on the #2 tube that is were the header in contacting the TB.
The motor is broke in so no worries on the heat damage!
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Re: TTI's, Remflex Gaskets and Torsion bar hitting header
[Re: GomangoCuda]
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05/15/11 03:40 PM
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Read what this says about engine location before you start beating on things. http://www.ttiexhaust.com/PDF/II_TTI440-200.pdf
Thnx for the info going back out to measure.
Can anyone tell me the easiest way to shift the motor to the right(standing in front looking at it) 1/4"?
It seems if I put a shim/washer under the left mount it would raise the left and cause more contact.And if I shim the right just the right side will raise and the left will still be in same position. Or am I looking at this all wrong? I need about a 1/8" to get the bar to slide in the socket.
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Re: TTI's, Remflex Gaskets and Torsion bar hitting header
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05/15/11 04:34 PM
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What kind of k-member?
If it were me, I'd hook up the hoist, pull the motor mount bolts, and lift the engine enough to be able to wiggle it and see what develops.
However if spool mounts are involved, I don't think much options are available.
Just a stock K Frame, which bolts are you referring. The ones that secure the mounts to the K Frame. Or the the Motor Mount to Mounting bracket?
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Re: TTI's, Remflex Gaskets and Torsion bar hitting header
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05/15/11 04:53 PM
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Ok just measured center of crank to top of K..5.25" per TTI site, thats ok.
Measured center of crank to frame rails
Pass. side 14.50"
Driver side 16.75" differnce of 2.25". TTI says I should have a 2.5" differnce.
I am 1/4" off which is a little more than I need to clear the TB.
I need to move the engine 1/4" to the driver, whats the best way to do this?
I am running Schumacher mounts if it matters. TTI said they are fine with my headers.
What schumacher mounts ? What heads ?
Have you tired to loosen the bolts holding the engine brackets to the block and shift the engine over?
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Re: TTI's, Remflex Gaskets and Torsion bar hitting header
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05/15/11 10:32 PM
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OK, dont start beating just yet If you oval the holes on the passenger side mount where it bolts to the block that will lower things. Maybe removing that mount completely, and set the motor so it clears will tell you if my idea might work. To me it would be better than "getting medieval" on that awesome coating. (Patience wearing thin yet?  )
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Re: TTI's, Remflex Gaskets and Torsion bar hitting header
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05/15/11 11:09 PM
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I had a similar fittment/clearance issues with Dynatech Mighty mount motormounts & TTI's on my 1970 e-body with 440. My shaker scoop was hitting on the hood slightly too. I didn't need to bend my headers, but I wrapped the torsion bar in heat barrier fabric. There was about 1/4 of an inch clearance after everything settled in.
The header/ torsion bar clearance was close, but once I had it running it settled in a bit and had more clearance than when I bolted it in. I think the engine's torque helped it settle too.
In the end, I ended up pulling the motor to change the oil pan for that road race pan, to address this motor mount issue, polish the engine compartment and change to a stronger starter.
I'm not sure about the Schumaker mounts, but can you elongate the holes on the braket to let the mount slide upwards more and allow the motor to drop into the k-member more?
When you are installing the metal part of the motor mount to the block, be sure to push it upwards when tightening it. There is some slop that can be taken up to lower the block into the k-member when it sets down on it.
My headers overheated on initial start-up too and lost the shine on the first 8 to 12 inches of the primary tubes too. Bummed, I tried touching them up with the high-heat bbq silver, which wouldn't be bad if it was for a daily driver, but it's not shiney.
Finally though, I ended up taking my entire exhaust from head to tail including mufflers over to Sanderson's Headers and had them recoat and re-bake the whole system inside and out with their satin black ceramacoat. It looks awesome, especially with polished stainles tips.
Keep trying until you get everything just right while you have the motor out. Not much can be done once it's in the car and running.
In this pic, you can see how the stud was too long on the Dynatech mount. They sent me a new set, no questions asked and the stud was shorter. I also pushed the braket up when I bolted it to the block. The motor is still out, but I'll re-post once I have everything back together.
Last edited by jbc426; 05/15/11 11:11 PM.
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1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
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Re: TTI's, Remflex Gaskets and Torsion bar hitting header
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05/16/11 12:10 AM
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(Patience wearing thin yet? )
Patience left about 3 PM today!! Tomorrow when I get off I am pulling the complete mount and seeing about elongating the holes.
I hope that might work. It has taken me 7 yrs to get to this point and I don't need this!! 
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Re: TTI's, Remflex Gaskets and Torsion bar hitting header
[Re: JohnRR]
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05/16/11 01:39 AM
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Have you tired to loosen the bolts holding the engine brackets to the block and shift the engine over?
I asked this same question.
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