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Alternator mounting w/W9's and a Crank Trigger w/ FAST #988181
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So I am putting a FAST XFI system in my truck along with a set of W9 heads. So I can't use the stock alternator anymore because of the control of the PCM will be gone. I also can't use some of the alternator brackets out there because I don't have the fittings on the heads. I am losing the power steering and going to a manual rack, so I have room where the stock pump used to be. I am also going to a electric water pump. So is there a good bracket that uses the block or water pump bolts and no head bolts to mount? What alternator works with it, need about a 120 at least? How do you space out the pulley to work with the MSD crank trigger? Just go V belt?

Re: Alternator mounting w/W9's and a Crank Trigger w/ FAST [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #988182
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If you are using a motorplate it would be much easier to find a mounting spot...

Maybe one is on your future?


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Re: Alternator mounting w/W9's and a Crank Trigger w/ FAST [Re: DemonDust] #988183
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I did not plan on using one. What exactly is the purpose of a motor plate? I am going to have a turbo hanging off the passenger side also.

Re: Alternator mounting w/W9's and a Crank Trigger w/ FAST [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #988184
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Thats going to be one BAD Dakota

Re: Alternator mounting w/W9's and a Crank Trigger w/ FAST [Re: 72demon416] #988185
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It damn better be. haha. 440 small block with a single turbo. Just want to run 9's easily.

Re: Alternator mounting w/W9's and a Crank Trigger w/ FAST [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #988186
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I did not plan on using one. What exactly is the purpose of a motor plate? I am going to have a turbo hanging off the passenger side also.




Well there are several reasons;

1. Ease of install
2. Some blocks don't have motor mount provisions
3. The engine is now solidly mounted and won't twist. There for a little more power is put to the wheels. I believe it will help your 60ft. Hopefully someone can chime in and verify this..


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Re: Alternator mounting w/W9's and a Crank Trigger w/ FAST [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #988187
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I have seen alternators driven off of the pinion yoke on the rear end.........and with a pick up , room should not be an issue.
I have seen this on more than a couple street rods and I really like the look under the hood.
Just a thought.

Re: Alternator mounting w/W9's and a Crank Trigger w/ FAST [Re: tubtar] #988188
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That would be interesting, especially with a relocated battery.

Re: Alternator mounting w/W9's and a Crank Trigger w/ FAST [Re: DemonDust] #988189
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Worth loooking into, but I just don't like how those things look hanging off the front.

Re: Alternator mounting w/W9's and a Crank Trigger w/ FAST [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #988190
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Worth loooking into, but I just don't like how those things look hanging off the front.




I looked into that awhile back...With a 9" Ford there are a few options, I suppose one could be adapted to a chrysler 9.25.

Look here

Problem is if you're not moving, you're not charging

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Re: Alternator mounting w/W9's and a Crank Trigger w/ FAST [Re: Adobedude] #988191
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Yea I don't like that it does not charge when its moving.

How does a motor plate get installed? Supposed to affix to the frame correct? Bolt in? Does it just lay on the frame?

Re: Alternator mounting w/W9's and a Crank Trigger w/ FAST [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #988192
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Re: Alternator mounting w/W9's and a Crank Trigger w/ FAST [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #988193
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So I am putting a FAST XFI system in my truck along with a set of W9 heads. So I can't use the stock alternator anymore because of the control of the PCM will be gone. I also can't use some of the alternator brackets out there because I don't have the fittings on the heads. I am losing the power steering and going to a manual rack, so I have room where the stock pump used to be. I am also going to a electric water pump. So is there a good bracket that uses the block or water pump bolts and no head bolts to mount? What alternator works with it, need about a 120 at least? How do you space out the pulley to work with the MSD crank trigger? Just go V belt?




A couple of ideas. Most of the computer controlled alternators can also be controlled by a standard 70+ MOPAR flat pack voltage regulator - your OE alternator may work fine if you can get get the brackets adapted to the heads. The other thought is can you use the crank sensing strategy on the original engine (flywheel pickup?). If you could it would save messing with custom spacing from the crank trigger.

As I'm sure you know, EFI likes a steady voltage and you probably have a good sized fuel pump and maybe a fan to run so you need a strong alternator with good idle output. OE would be good. A 120 amp Denso would be good or a 140 amp Powermaster/Delco. I wouldn't go with less alternator than those.

Re: Alternator mounting w/W9's and a Crank Trigger w/ FAST [Re: ahy] #988194
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The problem with the stock one is that the voltage is controlled by the PCM, so I need a new one with an internal regulator.

Is there a bracket that mounts the alternator to the lower driver side to the block and/or water pump?

Re: Alternator mounting w/W9's and a Crank Trigger w/ FAST [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #988195
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Also thought about leaving the sensor in the back, but you have to notch the housing when using a 727 which I am going to run. Makes it difficult to put a good shield on there that is SFI approved and there are not flexplates for it that are SFI approved.

Re: Alternator mounting w/W9's and a Crank Trigger w/ FAST [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #988196
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You don't need a new alternator nor a one-wire alternator. You can use the factory alternator if you can still mount it up. You are correct in that the PCM controls the regulation of the alternator, but it's not that complicated. You can install another external voltage regulator to your existing alternator.

Your voltage regulation is an "A"-type in that the field is controlled on the ground side. The voltage regulator is simply controlling the output of the alternator by switching the field current on-off to a ground in the PCM.

You have two small wires...right? A White and Dark Blue on pin#1, and a Dark Green on pin #2. The White and Dark Blue is battery power with key on. The Dark Green is the switched wire.

Connect the White and Dark blue to Key-on battery source (fused). Attach an old school external voltage regulator (type A) to the Dark Green wire. The 71-up electronic 2-pin VR off any Mopar should work. It'll need to be securely grounded and it will need a voltage sense (battery voltage) wire so it can tell when to charge and when not to.

An old Mopar performance book can give you the simple wiring diagram for the two wires on the VR. The VR is cheap and easy to find at any auto parts store. The triangle shaped plug is easy to find also.

The earlier 70-down electro-mechanical VR's were B-type. They were switched on the power side. Actually either one will work if it's wired in correctly.

Piece-o-cake.

Re: Alternator mounting w/W9's and a Crank Trigger w/ FAST [Re: Moparteacher] #988197
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I really don't want to put it up in the stock location because I am going to run an electric water pump and the belt will not route correctly, putting it down low will make everything much easier.

Re: Alternator mounting w/W9's and a Crank Trigger w/ FAST [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #988198
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Also thought about leaving the sensor in the back, but you have to notch the housing when using a 727 which I am going to run. Makes it difficult to put a good shield on there that is SFI approved and there are not flexplates for it that are SFI approved.




I have a CF shield on my 727...No problem. The crank sensor clearing the shield isn't the problem, it's mounting the sensor, the R3 has no provisions for it...Ask Dave Downing, why he finally went to a carb.


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Re: Alternator mounting w/W9's and a Crank Trigger w/ FAST [Re: Adobedude] #988199
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He has an old casting, all the new ones come with it. I also have the magnum race block, hence everything that goes on the block fits.

Re: Alternator mounting w/W9's and a Crank Trigger w/ FAST [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #988200
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I made a bracket that mounts to the old fuel pump
bolt holes

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