Found a Runner from Lynch Rd that is a 383 car and has a last 6 close to an A12 in the registry. The one is the registry is 267291 and the one I know of is only 64 cars off. They are both the same body style as well. Just thought it would help some.

Hopefully the fender tag is still there when I look at it Tuesday.

Would it be possible to find an copy of the archived Federal regulations regarding V.I.N.numbers and then determine if the same last 6 didgits could be applied to a car built at a different plant.Just wondering

The VIN was a 13 digit code. Like 69_SIX_PACK stated you could have a RM21 NOG 123456 car and also a RM21 NOE 123456 car built, while the last six digits are the same the entire VIN is different.

The newer VIN law states that a VIN (now 15 digits) if I remember correctly can not be duplicated for 20 years.

Ok here is some info for late built A12's. I looked at a Runner from Lynch Rd. yesterday and here is what it had on the tag:

last 6-267355
scheduled build date-506
order number-145026

Hope this helps some.

Let me clear it up, this is an H code 383 car. just seeing where in the mix it falls as far as when A12's were ran. Later built A12's could have been built around 5/06. Should have cleared up the A12 vs. non A12, but I thought I did a few posts ago. Sorry for the confusion.

Ahooah,

Thanks for the input and thanks for getting this thread back on track. All info helps in one way or another.

I think your broader point is a good one....that being the question: Can we use other Lynch road cars as A12 production info gap fillers?

I am disapointed that so few 'numbers matching' A12 cars have come forward with info thus far. I think we could really break some new ground here if only more data was available.

Those who have come forward have supplied good info-- which might have only been previously assumed or known to a select few in this hobby.

That info being real production dates (EADs) and corelating major engine component dates-- which could indicate the legitimacy of cars, and their major components when they come up for sale.

In other words, those who understand the basic pattern of the 'sequence/cast/EAD' have an advantage in detecting cars that follow the known pattern and those that don't.

Expansion on that theme will always be open to additional info...which simply means adding new original cast dates, EADs, and sequence numbers. Your point being if we can use non A12 cars to whittle the gaps in that expanse down, why not?

If this is a viable option we would need to find these cars in 'original condition' (namely an original motor). Then simply list that motor's EAD, cast and the VIN sequence number.

From there we compare with known A12 EAD, cast and sequence numbers to see if they all jive. If after several comparisons they do, we might want to consider them as useful in building a better A12 production timeline. The end game for this being the ability to take an A12 sequence number and have some fairly accurate idea of when the car's motor was assembled and where the parts for that motor should be dated.

As always, this is open to constructive critism. Anything that helps build a better understanding is always welcome (go ahead fellas--fire away!).

Thanks again ahooah!

Best regards,
Coop

There's a Bee on E-Bay with VIN WM23H9A295300. Which the VIN falls in between two Bees on the registry with 4/26 build dates if someone is interested in e-mailing the seller and seeing when that car was built. Just a thought. Ok, got an e-mail back from the guy and it was built on 6/12/69. This might help some figure out when the cars were built.

ahooah,

Thanks again for the info.

I also contacted the seller who just got back with the cast date on the block (5*26*69)

just for fun...

Frank (dstryr) has a serial number of 9A272929
a cast date of 5*15*69
a EAD of 6/4/69

The 383 bee has a serial number of 9A295300
a cast date of 5*26*69
a EAD of 6/12/69

Bill (1fastsixpack) has a serial number of 9A303025
a cast date of 5*22*69
a EAD of 6/13/69

The gaps between Frank (dstryr) and the 383 bee serial number is 22371, the cast gap is 11 days, and the EAD gap is 8 days.

Now compare the 383 bee to the later serial number of Bill's car (1fastsixpack)

The gap between the serial number is 7725 which is about 1/3 the gap found between Franks car (22371).

The gap in the cast dates is 4 days which is again around 1/3 the gap found between Franks car (11 days).

The gap in the EAD is only 1 day which is about 1/8 the gap found between Franks car.

Nothing earth shattering, just more info to consider.

Best regards,
Coop

Dannysbee
290229 vin
carbs 1219 April 30
trans assembly 2854 May 21
door panel May 5
That is all my car has to offer hope it helps.

I own a 1970 440 Six Pack Numbers Matching
Super Bee. I do not know when the engine was put into the car.

Car Built 10-69
Block Forged 7-24-69
Engine Built 10-8-69

Good Luck!

RM21H9A254049 is on ebay and has a build date of 4/04. This VIN falls between 2 3/29 Runners. Hope this helps.

69 GTX on ebay with VIN RS23L9A280600 which is between two 4/26 Runners and the GTX build date of 5/26 and Sequence #040147

here's the link

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2478466258&category=6412

good luck and will post more as i find them

There is a '69 Runner on E-bay right now (6-16-04) with Vin#RM21H9A254049, build date of 4/04, and sequence #B28914. The VIN falls between 2 Runners on the registry (car #106 and #172)with the following info: Car #106 VIN#RM21M9A246436, build date of 3/29, and sequence #949304. Car #172 VIN#RM21M9A2577095, build date of 3/29, and sequence #949085. I don't know how long the auction is up for, but here is the link
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2482194380&category=43921&sspagename=WDVW
And here is a pic of the fendertag in case the auction is gone.

In the left upper corner there are five (5) numbers. The "Gate" number (First two digits) and the "Base" number (last three digits) what do these numbers mean?

All of the Lynch Road tags have a "1" for the third digit or the first number of the "Base" number. All of the Base numbers are either: 10X, 11X, 12X, 13X, 14X and 15X. I have not seen, to this point, any higher numbers than 15X (no 16X, etc.,). The majority of the A12 tags that I have see have either 11X or 15X for the "Base" number.

There are three A12 tags shown in attachments (by me) in this thread HERE that have a sideways "X" inspectors mark that the "Base" number is 15X. The V.I.N's and lower right sequence numbers, of these three tags, are not close at all nor are the numbers to the right of the gate and base numbers, the they have the same inspectors "X" on them. He apparently worked quite a bit in '69 .

I don't know if this observation has ANY value at all, I just thought I'd throw it in the pot.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2482366770&category=43921

1969 hemi Runner. Here is a pic of the fendertag. Built on 4/29 and falls between #14 and #179 on the registry, which are both RM21's with 4/26 build dates.

another lynch rd tag for a bee with date of 6/17