'64 Savoy wagon build - whaddya think?
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I'm thinking about building my '64 into a freeway-capable mid-12 second car; here's the rough (" tight budget") plan: It's probably 3600 lbs, maybe as much as 3800; I'd add subframe ties. 446" 440, steel crank, LY rods w/ARP bolts, 9.5 CR probably forged pistons; 750 or 800 Holley DP on Performer RPM or similar; 230-ish @ .050, .510-.520 lift, maybe MP "528" cam; Budget roller rockers, double springs (safety margin); either the 452 heads I have or some Stealths (452s need guides & bowl-work/porting); big pan, 1/2" pickup, tray; MP elect ign; alum. H2O pump & hsg; inexpensive (Summit?) headers, and either the spare 3" system I have, or the 2.5" system on the car. 727, no more than 3000 stall, either a 3.55 or 3.91 braced 8.75, or a 3.73 Dana 60 if that ends up less $ than building the 8.75; 3800-lb SS springs, 28" drag tire/31" street tire on 15x8 steelies. Slicks or Drag Radials. As stock-appearing as possible; things like stock fuel system easily upgraded if needed with stuff I have sitting around from my 10-sec car. Probably use a reverse-manual VB & Cheetah shifter so that's intuitive like my other car. Local track often sees 3500 DA, sea-level track is 6 hours' drive. Car is currently Poly 318, stick car (has floor shift & hump now), restored, so no cutting except the subframe ties. Input & suggestions welcome.
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Re: '64 Savoy wagon build - whaddya think?
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So why not stay with a stick shift? That way you wouldn't need to worry about to little or too much stall If you stay with the drag radial route you could use a 23 spline unit with some slippage on the tires or clutch Gus
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Re: '64 Savoy wagon build - whaddya think?
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My old bee weighed 3840 with me in it. LB 451 stroker, 452 heads bowl ported and gasket matched heads stock valves, Hughes 223 230 @ 537 549, RAS 1.6 rockers, worked cast iron avs intake, 440 Avs converted to afb metering rods big needle and seats, HP exhaust manifolds, 10.8 compression with .38 quench 11 inch Dynamic converter and 3.91 gear. Early on the car ran a 12.48 at 110 on a sea level track and later with more tuning ran a 7.77 at 88 1/8 mile at 1200 feet with a 4.10 gear. Combo worked good but you need the gear with the smaller cubic inches. My next car will have more cubes and less gear.
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Re: '64 Savoy wagon build - whaddya think?
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The .038 quench was what made it work 35-36 degrees on the total. When the temps would get into the 92+ degrees I would add 2-3 of gallons of 110 to the tank at the track to keep it from detonating. I think 10.5 would be safe, but our octane is 93. I was not recommending 10.8 just showing you what a budget build can accomplish. If I was doing it here with aluminum heads I would go for 11 to 1.
Last edited by dannysbee; 05/01/11 03:35 PM.
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Re: '64 Savoy wagon build - whaddya think?
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Yeah, Doc, mid-12s; maybe if the planets were to align, 12.20s, but that's pretty optimistic given the gear ratio. I'm pretty much stuck with 446", as I have the parts (except pistons, pins & rings). Gotta spend at least $500 on the heads I think, which kills the budget for a stroker kit. Not really a class, just a big footbrake bracket.
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Re: '64 Savoy wagon build - whaddya think?
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Your proposed engine build is almost to a tee what I just built.I went with 9.0 compression,Stealths and the Mopar 557 cam.Run it on pump 93 all day with 38 degrees.If you can get it to run 12.00 flat,I'd hit the index classes every weekend with it.
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Re: '64 Savoy wagon build - whaddya think?
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Sorry to burst your bubble but with that compression and those gears you might see the thirteens. Back in the seventy's I had a car just like that with a stock bore 440 6 pack engine,906 heads,solid flat tappet 300 duration 525 lift Crower cam , torquer intake , 750 Holley double pumper .4.89 geared 8 3/4 that broke the gears allot and running a 833 slick shifted 4 speed. Best I could do is 12.40 . As you said 3600-3800 lbs. if not more is allot to get moving and those gears won't do it. Sure did like that car though even if it broke everything in the drive train multiple times. I drove mine on the street also and every day to work from as soon as the snow melted to when it started to fall again.
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