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Re: cant figure this out_440 pops and lacks power ... [Re: AK_JH27] #972716
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thanks for all the replys
this weekend is "work on the charger w/e" some facts, the carb is the edelbrock 1401 or 14xx cant remember, its the same on my challenger and it works great, i dont think its the carb. vacum advance is hooked up, wires are on corrrectly, fuel doesnt seem to be an issue,i have a electric pump, it does pop thru the exhaust though, maybe bad exhaust vavles? i'm leaning towards a bad cam. i'll report my findings this week.

Re: cant figure this out_440 pops and lacks power ... [Re: AK_JH27] #972717
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I would do a comp check first and look the plugs over again

Re: cant figure this out_440 pops and lacks power ... [Re: BeEtLeJuIcE !] #972718
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TIME to find-out what your fuel pressure is.



I agree, you need to find out your fuel pressure.

Re: cant figure this out_440 pops and lacks power ... [Re: ireland383] #972719
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I will bet it is MEGGA lean when the secondaries come in ..

Re: cant figure this out_440 pops and lacks power ... [Re: BeEtLeJuIcE !] #972720
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I was thinking too much pressure with his electric pump and eddie crab.

Re: cant figure this out_440 pops and lacks power ... [Re: ireland383] #972721
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Eddie crab ?

Re: cant figure this out_440 pops and lacks power ... [Re: BeEtLeJuIcE !] #972722
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I thought you would get a kick out of that!

Re: cant figure this out_440 pops and lacks power ... [Re: ireland383] #972723
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You know the word CRAB was an error in spelling THEN it stuck ... 'specially ferr 'da Bumz

MY experience with this situation .. I have had a combo go lean and fat. Lean was when I was doing some major tweaking on a TQ ... I changed the secondary jets and FORGOT to tighten one down. It fell off(and that cut-off 50% of the fuel in the secondaries) ... then the car was popping and banging SURGING big-time.

Later that month I took it to the track..... muffs, OEM dual-snorkel air-cleaner and all..... it would lazy nose-over when you got into the higher revs .... MPH was not what it should be.

I double-stacked the AC element ... problem solved

THAT situation was going way FAT.

Re: cant figure this out_440 pops and lacks power ... [Re: pro6pakRR] #972724
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I feel like Al Pacino here.... I'm getting pulled back IN!
One more time... I had a 71 Chevy truck that ALSO ran fine at idle but popped up through the carb on anything over half throttle. THAT truck had several exhaust lobes going flat on the cam. The limited escape path for the exhaust gases resulted in reversion into the intake ports and up through the carburetor.

Re: cant figure this out_440 pops and lacks power ... [Re: AK_JH27] #972725
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I have the Eddy 500cfm and the eddy 750. If you put your foot down, maybe you need some more fuel. Is your accelerator pump linkage on the middle hole? Try readjusting it to the bottom hole, it will allow more fuel to come in. Your jets/rods would be another question. They are usually pretty good from the factory but you have some fine tuning in your future to perform. Are there any vacuum leaks? Is the back port on the carb sealed? I have vacuum lines coming off mine and maybe you have a fray or crack in yours. I have but one car and I saved up some cashola to buy an Air/Fuel readout so I can fine tune the carbs.

If you have another carb as you say...doesn't hurt to spend 15 minutes and take it off the other car, all the fuel lines will hook up the same way too.

How many miles you have on that cam? Hydraulic? Solid? If you think its the cam I dunno how to go about checking it. It'd be the blind leading the blind...maybe pull a lifter and check the bottom for damage


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Re: cant figure this out_440 pops and lacks power ... [Re: Pyper70] #972726
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Hate to add fuel to THIS fire..
but if the engine IS NOT rebuilt-
He may have excessive slack in the timing chain, or he may have slipped a tooth. Wouldn't show up at light throttle, but would alter the timing enough to cause an issue under load.
Stupid Plastic-toothed 'Silent' drives were known for this kind of issue.

Just my
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Re: cant figure this out_440 pops and lacks power ... [Re: chargincharles] #972727
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Also sounds like a weak or broken valve spring, or a worn cam lobe, or worn lifter base with a slight hole causing leak-down with backfire under load....


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Re: cant figure this out_440 pops and lacks power ... [Re: chargincharles] #972728
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no its a complete rebuild, i'm going to start back at the begining, and go thru every detail.

Re: cant figure this out_440 pops and lacks power ... [Re: AK_JH27] #972729
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Ya Know...I'm leaning toward the Cam Lobes myself.
Reason being-
Did you use an Oil with Adequate Zinc??
Not trying to advertise, but I've seen a couple of 2.2's and at least 1 small block with wiped out lobes because of the newer 'ecologically sound' oils that don't have enough Zinc in them.
I run Rotella in my cars now- save for my Stratus which has a factory roller cam.

Real important in this day and age to know what the ^($*&% they are doing for the 'enviroment'.

Good luck with it!
CC.

Re: cant figure this out_440 pops and lacks power ... [Re: chargincharles] #972730
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Knew a car that did this..was a pin hole in the fuel line where it ran through the crossmember.

Also second poster beat me to it...the bad coil.You try another?I hada Duster that went to acting like that and finly got a real mopar ol timer to come over..he listed looked around and said..you got another coil?I said yes and slapped it on and away we went!


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Does the carb have a power valve?

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Does the carb have a power valve?




Nope..Eddy's dont incorporate them into their design


Family owned 1969 Charger R/T DualQuad 440/727/GVO/3.55s
Re: cant figure this out_440 pops and lacks power ... [Re: AK_JH27] #972733
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Quote:

thanks for all the replys
this weekend is "work on the charger w/e" some facts, the carb is the edelbrock 1401 or 14xx cant remember, its the same on my challenger and it works great, i dont think its the carb. vacum advance is hooked up, wires are on corrrectly, fuel doesnt seem to be an issue,i have a electric pump, it does pop thru the exhaust though, maybe bad exhaust vavles? i'm leaning towards a bad cam. i'll report my findings this week.




is the vacuum advance on ported vacuum?

Re: cant figure this out_440 pops and lacks power ... [Re: Dodgem] #972734
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Can you pop in a diff dist?? Or can you put a vac source and watch the plate come around and see if somthing is grounding or if the gap is changing alot.

I ask this because I chased the same deal and did everything from fuel pump to float level, coil, ect only to after a long time find the cause was the advance plate had issues when it was moving in the advance of the dist plate..?????

Who knows, but good luck.

Re: cant figure this out_440 pops and lacks power ... [Re: AK_JH27] #972735
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Got it figured out! it was a bad control module and a little tweaking of the timing. runs good now.

but now my aftermarket tech bounces around, it doesnt stay steady

bad ground? hate these gemlins !!

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