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Re: What did I do wrong on my ministarter [Re: Ramrod39] #968560 04/08/11 03:04 AM 04/08/11 03:04 AM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA Kern Dog Striving for excellence
Kern Dog Striving for excellence Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA	This is odd. I have never had to modify any starter to fit any Mopar. I have had mini style stock replacement units, aftermarket higher torque units and standard OEM ones. I do have to remove that extender for my Charger 440 to clear the block.

Re: What did I do wrong on my ministarter [Re: Kern Dog] #968561 04/08/11 09:03 AM 04/08/11 09:03 AM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL Commando1 OP master
Commando1 OP master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL	This is just too weird. "got mine from Mancini - had to grind..." "got mine from Mancini - didn't have to grind..." "got mine from 440S - had to grind..." "got mine from 440S - didn't have to grind..." "got mine from a junkyard - had to grind..." "got mine from junkyard - didn't have to grind..." What the .........????

Re: What did I do wrong on my ministarter [Re: Commando1] #968562 04/08/11 09:44 AM 04/08/11 09:44 AM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida S scratchnfotraction I Live Here
scratchnfotraction I Live Here S Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida	It just hit me that its a 4-speed all mine have been auto got a pic of where your doing this grinding at? block? starter?

Re: What did I do wrong on my ministarter [Re: scratchnfotraction] #968563 04/08/11 11:34 AM 04/08/11 11:34 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,065 Niles , Ohio T therocks oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
therocks oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah. T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,065 Niles , Ohio	My 65 with 440 has a scattershield and remaned mini.No grinding and it been in at least 10 years.The kids 62 300 has a Source min and fit perfect.Rocky Chrysler Firepower

Re: What did I do wrong on my ministarter [Re: MonGoo$e] #968564 04/08/11 12:07 PM 04/08/11 12:07 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,381 Youngsville, NC D dem440c pro stock
dem440c pro stock D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,381 Youngsville, NC	Personal preference I guess but I think the mini starters are better than the stock starters in every way possible. They spin the engine faster, sound better, disengage and stop almost immediately (no waiting for the thing to wind down and stop spinning if the engine didn't catch the first time), are lighter, smaller, more clearance to the exhaust, and as I will explain below are cheap and long lasting if you buy the right ones. I have (no lie) at least 10 mini starters currently in use on both small and big block engines. The big block ones I just pop off that extension thingy and they fit fine, no grinding. As far as where to get them- I bought one from MP years ago and it crapped out, I've bought a couple from parts stores over the years and one of them crapped out (replaced under warranty and still working today), but most of them I get from a pick n pull yard for around $20, find them on 90's era v8 truck and van (used factory units). These are the freakin shizzle as far as I'm concerned, they seem to work forever and they will whip a hot or high compression engine over no problem. Nuts to the expensive store bought pieces. For the O.P., try disassembling it and check that the internal connection from the main electrical power lug is connecting to the solenoid. It should split internally to send power to the main body windings and the solenoid. Try jumping it there to see if it pops the pinion plunger out. It's either the connections or the solenoid itself, it's not real complicated to figure out once you see how it is constructed.

Re: What did I do wrong on my ministarter [Re: 69L78Nova] #968565 04/08/11 12:59 PM 04/08/11 12:59 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,530 Nunya CA CR8CRSHR master
CR8CRSHR master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,530 Nunya CA	Quote: That's why I use the stock boat anchor starters on everything.....plus they sound better than those new ones I would have to disagree with you on this one. The stock "Boat Anchors" require more current draw and perform less effectively than the mini-starters. I won't even touch the fact that header interference with the stock starters is a PITA. Come on...step up to the 21st century and start running those mini's....

Re: What did I do wrong on my ministarter [Re: CR8CRSHR] #968566 04/08/11 01:06 PM 04/08/11 01:06 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 18,157 Mass DAYCLONA I Live Here
DAYCLONA I Live Here Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 18,157 Mass	I've got 3 minis, SmBlk and BigBlk, Auto, 4spd factory bell, Keisler Bell, all running PowerMaster minis, no mods, no grinding, bolt on

Re: What did I do wrong on my ministarter [Re: therocks] #968567 04/08/11 01:08 PM 04/08/11 01:08 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,734 Charlotte, NC 4 446acuda master
446acuda master 4 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,734 Charlotte, NC	Quote: My 65 with 440 has a scattershield and remaned mini.No grinding and it been in at least 10 years.The kids 62 300 has a Source min and fit perfect.Rocky I've used junkyard ministarters on /6,sb and big block with 130/143 Lakewood scattershield with 130 tooth flywheel and 143 tooth flywheel and never had to grind on the starter.

Re: What did I do wrong on my ministarter [Re: Kern Dog] #968568 04/08/11 01:09 PM 04/08/11 01:09 PM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,534 Florida C CHRGR69 pro stock
CHRGR69 pro stock C Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,534 Florida	Quote: This is odd. I have never had to modify any starter to fit any Mopar. I have had mini style stock replacement units, aftermarket higher torque units and standard OEM ones. I do have to remove that extender for my Charger 440 to clear the block. Yea whats up with that? I have them on a 440, 383 and 3.9 V6 all with no grinding. Grandma always said I had "hands of gold"!

Re: What did I do wrong on my ministarter [Re: CHRGR69] #968569 04/08/11 01:17 PM 04/08/11 01:17 PM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 4,920 Joplin, MO USA Robbins master
Robbins master Joined: May 2004 Posts: 4,920 Joplin, MO USA	It's interesting that some had to grind and some didn't need too. I had to grind a little on my 440 block with an Ultra bell in front of my 2 wire 518. Stock mini from newer a 92 1 ton van. It fit the Ultra bell just find. It didn't take much grinding on the block though.......just in the u shape part of the block around the starter. Moparlee

Re: What did I do wrong on my ministarter [Re: scratchnfotraction] #968570 04/08/11 01:38 PM 04/08/11 01:38 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL Commando1 OP master
Commando1 OP master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL	Quote: It just hit me that its a 4-speed all mine have been auto got a pic of where your doing this grinding at? block? starter? Hogged away a lot on the block around the starter housing area. Still too snug for comfort in my opinion but I didn't want to poke into a water jacket. Also did some light grinding on the stater, but I'm afraid to go too crazy on it.

Re: What did I do wrong on my ministarter [Re: dem440c] #968571 04/08/11 01:41 PM 04/08/11 01:41 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL Commando1 OP master
Commando1 OP master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL	Quote: For the O.P., try disassembling it and check that... Test benched it and it works perfectly. It's gotta be the fit. Just gotta.... Why do so many fit and some don't??? I'm going to go back in and do some touch up. Last edited by Commando1; 04/08/11 01:43 PM.

Re: What did I do wrong on my ministarter [Re: Commando1] #968572 04/08/11 02:26 PM 04/08/11 02:26 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,424 Florida STAYcation dOc ! The village idiot's idiot
dOc ! The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,424 Florida STAYcation	Damn C1 ...doesn't ANYTHING go-right ferr U ? ...

Re: What did I do wrong on my ministarter [Re: dOc !] #968573 04/08/11 03:18 PM 04/08/11 03:18 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,247 Mt. Vernon, Ohio dartman366 I Live Here
dartman366 I Live Here Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,247 Mt. Vernon, Ohio	For what it's worth, I had to change out the dinosaur starter on the motorhome last summer, keep in mind it has header's on it so it is not an easyjob to change, got a mini starter from a 80's(i think) dakota tried it and it would not fit for crap, hit the block and the terminals were in the wrong spot' 1 mounting bolt would not engage the thread's ,,took it back to Car Quest and exchanged it for a 90's full size 360 truck and fit like a glove, can even snake it thru the headers to swap it out, and it looks just like the one on the race car that I bought from Mopar Performance years ago, maybe you are using the wrong style. Light travels faster than the speed of sound,,,this is why some people seem bright untill you hear them speak.

Re: What did I do wrong on my ministarter [Re: dem440c] #968574 04/08/11 04:56 PM 04/08/11 04:56 PM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,344 Central TX roe master
roe master Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,344 Central TX	Quote: but most of them I get from a pick n pull yard for around $20, find them on 90's era v8 truck and van (used factory units). These are the freakin shizzle as far as I'm concerned, they seem to work forever and they will whip a hot or high compression engine over no problem. Nuts to the expensive store bought pieces. I would have sprung for the junkyard finds, but the lifetime warranty and nationwide availability of replacements made it worth the extra $80-90. I plan on keeping this car for a long time, and do a lot of driving. And being in the military moves me around a lot. If this thing ever craps out on me, whether 1 yr from now, or 10 years from now, I'll never have to buy one. Just mosey on over to the nearest autozone and make a trade. Thats worth it to me. 1971 Plymouth Satellite 408/904 8 3/4 3.23 SG

Re: What did I do wrong on my ministarter [Re: dartman366] #968575 04/08/11 08:06 PM 04/08/11 08:06 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL Commando1 OP master
Commando1 OP master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL	Quote: got a mini starter from a 80's(i think) dakota tried it and it would not fit for crap, hit the block and the terminals were in the wrong spot' 1 mounting bolt would not engage the thread's ,,took it back to Car Quest and exchanged it for a 90's full size 360 truck and fit like a glove, Hmmmmmmmmmmm.... Let me check this out more. I thought a mini starter was a mini starter... You just jarred a few ancient memory cells. Wasn't there a Denso and a Nipon-sumthing? ___________________________________________ Quote: Damn C1 ...doesn't ANYTHING go-right ferr U ? ... Just another day in my wonderful life.

Re: What did I do wrong on my ministarter [Re: Commando1] #968576 04/08/11 08:25 PM 04/08/11 08:25 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,408 UPPER MICHIGAN, MARQUETTE COUN... N NITROUSN I Live Here
NITROUSN I Live Here N Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,408 UPPER MICHIGAN, MARQUETTE COUN...	To have that much starter trouble something cant be right. Are both bell dowels in place? If they are missing or even one that could be the reason the starter fits poorly and the others short lived. Auto or manual tranny?

Re: What did I do wrong on my ministarter [Re: NITROUSN] #968577 04/08/11 08:35 PM 04/08/11 08:35 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL Commando1 OP master
Commando1 OP master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL	Quote: To have that much starter trouble something cant be right. Are both bell dowels in place? If they are missing or even one that could be the reason the starter fits poorly and the others short lived. Auto or manual tranny? Dowels??? Ain't no stinkin (alignment) dowels. Manual tranny. PLUS, now I'm really $%$# off. The top pic is the mini starter from Amazon - $72 The bottom pic is my Mancini unit - $129 Absolutely no one to blame except myself.

Re: What did I do wrong on my ministarter [Re: Commando1] #968578 04/08/11 08:58 PM 04/08/11 08:58 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,408 UPPER MICHIGAN, MARQUETTE COUN... N NITROUSN I Live Here
NITROUSN I Live Here N Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,408 UPPER MICHIGAN, MARQUETTE COUN...	Quote: Ain't no stinkin (alignment) dowels. There are two stinking dowels between the bellhousing and motor.

Re: What did I do wrong on my ministarter [Re: Commando1] #968579 04/08/11 09:29 PM 04/08/11 09:29 PM
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,552 Rittman Ohio fourgearsavoy I Live Here
fourgearsavoy I Live Here Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,552 Rittman Ohio	Quote: Quote: got a mini starter from a 80's(i think) dakota tried it and it would not fit for crap, hit the block and the terminals were in the wrong spot' 1 mounting bolt would not engage the thread's ,,took it back to Car Quest and exchanged it for a 90's full size 360 truck and fit like a glove, Hmmmmmmmmmmm.... Let me check this out more. I thought a mini starter was a mini starter... You just jarred a few ancient memory cells. Wasn't there a Denso and a Nipon-sumthing? ___________________________________________ Quote: Damn C1 ...doesn't ANYTHING go-right ferr U ? ... Just another day in my wonderful life. They are all a Nippondenso design(Japanese)it's just that some rebuilders and cheap Chinese copies don't have the proper clocking of the nose cone.I still have the $30.00 swap meet Dakota V-6 starter on my 493 I just replace the contacts when I get one and you're good to go for a few years Still a factory used starter is better than an aftermarket re-build.The only way you can be sure to get a good one is to buy a "factory Mopar" part number or deal with Denso direct out of Detroit Gus 6575580-burnoutpicturegus.JPG (81 downloads) 64 Plymouth Savoy 493 Indy EZ's by Nick at Compu-Flow 5-Speed Richmond faceplate Liberty box Dana 60

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