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W9's on a 59 degree block with Fuel Injection #951209
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What can be used to make this work? Looking at running W9 heads with a 59 degree 9.600 block. Would the P4876162 intake somehow work? Valley pan? Theromostat housing? Can that intake manifold have injectors added to them? Another intake that might work better? Shooting for High 9's with a single turbo at 14psi.

Re: W9's on a 59 degree block with Fuel Injection [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #951210
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Injector bungs will need to be be pressed and welded into the manifold. The valley pan can either be fabricated with some sheet metal and a brake, or the off the shelf mp piece (which is often hard to find).

There is no thermostat housing since most racers don't use a thermostat. A manifold will need to be fabricated to incorporate a thermostat if you decide to use one....or lacking that, it might be cleaner to route all the water coming out of the heads right into the radiator.


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Re: W9's on a 59 degree block with Fuel Injection [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #951211
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W9's won't work with a 59 degree lifter angle. Extra head bolts required with W-9's. Should use a 48 degree block with 9.00 tall deck, 60mm cam tunnel and dry sump for the W-9 deal. Talk with Hogan to make a sheet metal manifold for the injection. For starters. We run a similar W-8 headed engine 380 cubes, single four barrel and it runs 8.61 161 MPH

Re: W9's on a 59 degree block with Fuel Injection [Re: Mr Hemi] #951212
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There is a 59 degree version of a W9, would I use them, no, but it's not my car or money.

As Zippy said, it will require a water manifold if you are planning on using a thermostat. There are examples out there from various vendors that you can plumb 4 hoses into, most will make their own though.

I dare say Ryan will chime in with more detailed information, but an Indy head might get the job done and meet your requirements.

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Re: W9's on a 59 degree block with Fuel Injection [Re: LA360] #951213
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There are examples out there from various vendors that you can plumb 4 hoses into, most will make their own though.





I'd buy a pint or two for a link to one of these vendors.
I am puzzling over how to make my own and have some ideas , but welding aluminum isn't in my bag of tricks and if I have to pay for welding , I may as well pay for a purpose built unit.
I can't find anything yet in my searches.

I have to add.........59 degree W-9's will out flow most other head choices for this application , so they aren't a bad choice necessarily.
The extra head bolt bosses are typically shaved off from what I have seen.
They have a notch cut on the side of the port for pushrod clearance that will restrict your ability to open up the intake port to a max flow job , but you should be able to get some very good numbers from them just the same.
More than a well done W-2 I'd bet.
With a better chamber , aluminum construction and more air flow , they look like a nice choice.
You will spend more on rockers , headers and the rest of the supporting cast to make them work........this can be a draw back.
Does the " cool and unique factor " tilt the scales in their favor ?
For me , yes.
But I'm going 48 degree.

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Re: W9's on a 59 degree block with Fuel Injection [Re: tubtar] #951214
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There are examples out there from various vendors that you can plumb 4 hoses into, most will make their own though.





I'd buy a pint or two for a link to one of these vendors.
I am puzzling over how to make my own and have some ideas , but welding aluminum isn't in my bag of tricks and if I have to pay for welding , I may as well pay for a purpose built unit.
I can't find anything yet in my searches.

I have to add.........59 degree W-9's will out flow most other head choices for this application , so they aren't a bad choice necessarily.
The extra head bolt bosses are typically shaved off from what I have seen.
They have a notch cut on the side of the port for pushrod clearance that will restrict your ability to open up the intake port to a max flow job , but you should be able to get some very good numbers from them just the same.
More than a well done W-2 I'd bet.
With a better chamber , aluminum construction and more air flow , they look like a nice choice.
You will spend more on rockers , headers and the rest of the supporting cast to make them work........this can be a draw back.
Does the " cool and unique factor " tilt the scales in their favor ?
For me , yes.
But I'm going 48 degree.




I ended up making a couple of water manifolds for
the heads(I never seen anything being sold out there)
and I made a box with the cap to hook the manifold
lines to.... all home made stuff

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Re: W9's on a 59 degree block with Fuel Injection [Re: tubtar] #951215
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it s not very hard to make one, a couple of hours in this one

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Re: W9's on a 59 degree block with Fuel Injection [Re: mafo] #951216
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You guys have anymore pictures of those water manifolds? Very nice looking pieces.

Re: W9's on a 59 degree block with Fuel Injection [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #951217
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Another issue I will hit is the front mount distributor.
Not impossible , but it will have to be clever because I won't stand for unsightly.
Ken , your would be the best approach..........but I also would like a thermostat.
Not mandatory , but I am going to try and make it work.

Re: W9's on a 59 degree block with Fuel Injection [Re: tubtar] #951218
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Engine is finished, 440 with low compression, put out 457 to the wheels (STD), so a little lower SAE, needs a larger TB, 1200CFM is not cutting it. Was originally supposed to be a turbo motor, but moved overseas, so left it NA. Had stefs fabrication make one up.


Re: W9's on a 59 degree block with Fuel Injection [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #951219
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here's the box a friend welded up for me. 1/4 " plate,recessed hole for the stat, helicoiled holes for tstat housing. ran all 6 lines from the head.

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Re: W9's on a 59 degree block with Fuel Injection [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #951220
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yes to all ur questions,,,give Ryan a shout on the valley trey,and the injectors can go on a w9 manifild its like putting a fogger on.59DEG w9 are out there i see plenty of em.

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Engine is already together, I updated it with my last post today.

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Engine is already together, I updated it with my last post today.


lol my bad

Re: W9's on a 59 degree block with Fuel Injection [Re: fishy340] #951223
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No worries, the last few did it also, haha.







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