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I've Got A Bit Of A Dilemma
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03/13/11 05:44 PM
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With my steering on my Rampage... with the engine in where I have it and the steering rack just clearing the crank pulley the rod ends will have a big angle... not a big deal on a drag car but on a street car the two wheels turn at a different rate in a corner... I still need to put the proper wheel and tire on it to see if I can make a longer steering arm... which will help with slowing the steering rate and the turn radius... I can move the engine back 1" more which will help... I know how to get around this problem BUT it would look BAD... I can cut the tie rods and set them parallel them then weld a spacer in between.... but damn that would look UGLY and I'm sure people would say... what the heck did you do that for..... DAMN I dont know what to do..... gotta think 
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Re: I've Got A Bit Of A Dilemma
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03/13/11 06:18 PM
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Well its not as bad as I figured but I will have to move the engine back that 1 1/4" that I have... I put the wheel on the spindle that I will run but I dont have the tires yet... but looking at the steering arm I can make them longer and should just clear the tire... I gotta get the tires before I can make sure... but things are looking better
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Re: I've Got A Bit Of A Dilemma
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03/13/11 06:23 PM
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Just set the engine back even more  the csr will like it 
I'm gonna move it back 1 1/4" but I wont go any farther,
I want to have 19" from the front of the seat to the
firewall... and the seat cant go back any more
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Re: I've Got A Bit Of A Dilemma
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03/13/11 08:47 PM
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and the seat cant go back any more
The thing is gutted now, just make it an extended cab Rampage...
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Re: I've Got A Bit Of A Dilemma
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03/13/11 08:56 PM
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and the seat cant go back any more
The thing is gutted now, just make it an extended cab Rampage...
I wouldnt change the cab... but I did give it some
thought about cutting the fenders and moving the front
wheels forward
If I do have to cut the tie rods I like the idea
of putting a boot over it... no one would know 
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Re: I've Got A Bit Of A Dilemma
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03/13/11 09:09 PM
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I like the idea of moving the front wheels forward; it'd look better aesthetically, and give you some room.
I'd really like to keep it stock looking but if I need
to move them I will
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Re: I've Got A Bit Of A Dilemma
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03/13/11 11:23 PM
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Yikes! I was thinking just a couple inches, centering the wheel/tire in the fender. Might be able to just move the front of the opening, depending on OD of the tire you run, and most people would likely not even notice, but the proportions would be better than the long stock overhang.
I dont think I'll have to move the tire forward IF
I move the engine back the 1 1/4", make longer steering
arms(which it could use anyways) and cutting the
tie rod and putting a cover over it(I might not need
to cut the tie rod ... I leave that as my last choice)...
after I pick up my new hood tomorrow I'll take some
measurements
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Re: I've Got A Bit Of A Dilemma
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03/14/11 07:03 AM
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With my steering on my Rampage... with the engine in
where I have it and the steering rack just clearing
the crank pulley the rod ends will have a big angle...
not a big deal on a drag car but on a street car the
two wheels turn at a different rate in a corner... I
still need to put the proper wheel and tire on it to
see if I can make a longer steering arm... which will
help with slowing the steering rate and the turn radius...
I can move the engine back 1" more which will help...
I know how to get around this problem BUT it would
look BAD... I can cut the tie rods and set them parallel
them then weld a spacer in between.... but damn that
would look UGLY and I'm sure people would say...
what the heck did you do that for..... DAMN I dont
know what to do..... gotta think
I look at it this way...
As long as you have a legitimate answer for the "what the heck did you do that for", there was no alternative, and it's a sound way of doing it, don't worry about it. If you can live with it and it works, it is what it is. Custom building...fun stuff! 
With custom stuff, there are no rules. You make them up as you go along. 
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Re: I've Got A Bit Of A Dilemma
[Re: B G Racing]
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03/14/11 10:21 AM
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You can usually angle the rods 3" from the steering centerline
I never heard that Bob... I'm sure that we would all
love to have that angle from the steering arm to the
rack at 90* and the farther off that angle it hurts
more... plus the distance between the rack and the
steering arm makes a big difference when you say that
3" number(10" vs 20") would more than double the
angle with the 3" stager
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Re: I've Got A Bit Of A Dilemma
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03/14/11 02:03 PM
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I have my wheels out right now having the tires mounted so when I get them back I can see a bit better on the steering arm clearance... that will determine what I need to do
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Re: I've Got A Bit Of A Dilemma
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03/14/11 02:12 PM
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fLAMING RIVER makes different length racks. In my case I needed a longer one for my Roda Runner that the Pinto unit that was in it.As for making longer tie rod can't you use a Heim end to replace
what you have now and make that longer by using a fresh piece of tubing threaded to accept the Heim?
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Re: I've Got A Bit Of A Dilemma
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03/14/11 02:25 PM
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fLAMING RIVER makes different length racks. In my case I needed a longer one for my Roda Runner that the Pinto unit that was in it.As for making longer tie rod can't you use a Heim end to replace
what you have now and make that longer by using a fresh piece of tubing threaded to accept the Heim?
Its not the length of the rack its the location of
it fore and aft in the car... I'd like to move it
rearward in my chassis so the end of the steering arm
is straight across from the rack centerline... once
I get my wheels and tires back I set it up and take
a pic
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If they are long enough, just go from the rack out to the tie rod.
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