Re: NGK Plugs ?
[Re: dennismopar73]
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mr p i'm sorry i great respect for you ,, but this is just plain outright b s , as i have posted before, you cannot gain up to 10 hp over any plug by autolites, plugs,, not unless that plug not firing, or is in the wrong heat rang indexes is not what it all is either, yes min gain and the work to do it , yes some motors you have to index, sometimes yes 7-10 hp doesnt take alot for a motor to pick that up, air quality, wind, when its on a dyno, and that statement comes out i will go back and say, that the plugs are bad, just as a set of wires can have to much resitance and have the same effect, other than delivering the ign to fire that cyl, thats what the plug will do my testing has come from the track,i have used 100s of plugs ,at the track & on my own, i have used autolites, motorgraft, ngk champion, bosch, ac delco, i have yet to see any plug, pick up over the other ! i have run gas and now alcohol, i have change plugs at will, on both yet to see even so much as a hundreth of a pick up, if a guy has a gas fouled , oil fouled ,etc plugs yes he will see a pickup yes even on a dyno,
Where is your proof? You keep mouthing off but with no proof!! If you have provided no proof, and Jeff has provided no proof, then it's just an argument. Argue in PM's if you don't have anything usefull to bring.
Brian Hafliger
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Re: NGK Plugs ?
[Re: BradH]
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03/08/11 11:35 AM
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If David Vizard's input is of any value on this subject, here's something I found when he was testing a different brand of plugs than Autolite:
"Up to this point, an Autolite plug had consistently out-powered everything else we tried... The baseline Autolite plugs used in the test produced two more horsepower (but sometimes more) than most other plugs we tested. However, plug testing can reveal some unexpected results inasmuch as one or two brands that work perfectly in a similar engine don’t pass muster and could be as much as 10 hp down."
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Re: NGK Plugs ?
[Re: BradH]
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03/08/11 12:00 PM
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All I can add is that when I did back-to-back tests between the standard Autolite and the AR series in the same heat range, my car picked up about .5 MPH w/ no other change.
Just figured out that worked out to a 6-7 HP improvement in my case.
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Re: NGK Plugs ?
[Re: moderncylinder]
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03/08/11 12:39 PM
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are you saying there is no truth to my statement? thats just my experience,, ive done it a few times on my dyno and its always worth power
in a ss hemi gained 10 in a ss 427 chevy gained 10 in a pump gas small chevy gained 6 in a 480 cubic inch fe pump gas was worth 8 in a 505 bb mopar pump gas was worth 6
all average power numbers which is all i ever look at
so i built a small blk ford motor for a guy local who works for the prince of quatar(alanabi guy),, so he is hooked up with shannon jenkins from some nitrous company,, i told my customer to run autolite plugs but they didnt cause they later told me i didnt tell them a part number,,, so they ran ngk,, so they went down south and shannon told them to go to the store and get some autolite plugs cause they make more power than ngk plugs,,, so they did cause they were told to by two totaly different sources. its a 360 cubic inch 8.2 deck ford with tfs heads in a 2900lb car, clutchless 5 spd,, nitrous,, been 7.80's at 180something
If I`m not mistaken I thaught I saw NGK`s in Forces plug holder at Pamona? Are they better for blown combos?
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Re: NGK Plugs ?
[Re: Thumperdart]
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03/08/11 12:57 PM
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i dont know,,, i know those guys would run two different plugs in each cylinder,, in front and rear,, they believed the g force had an effect on the fuel in the cylinder,, i cant remeber who it was,, but i know they ran autolites in the rear and another in the front, maybe ngk,, gapped the rear at like .012 and the front at like .018.. was either leong, head, hughes, prudhomme, bernstein, oswald.... one of those guys,,, back in the early 90's when i worked for a place where we ported their heads
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Re: NGK Plugs ?
[Re: dennismopar73]
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03/08/11 02:55 PM
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i will believe that there might be a minisque diff in some plugs as in heat range tips lenghts , ets but to come make bold statements that this plug will make more hp than the same equivalent plug from diffrent plug manufacture , is totally without merit , now if youre testing a totaly diffrent plug vs a racing style plug with diffrent heat range , then i will believe some of youre statement! other than that, show me dyno results with no other changes than that of a plug change, using the same indexing , timing, etc just a plug change thats all ,, lets see the results!!
i belive he did show you with the diff types of engines he ran. now if you are calling him a liar because you didnt see it in person thats your problem. im positive that jeff dosent have anyhing to lie about.
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Re: NGK Plugs ?
[Re: Brian Hafliger]
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03/08/11 03:18 PM
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Thought this was April fools till i realised it's a few weeks away.
Plug INITIATES the burn , that's all it does , too cold a plug for the application 'may' leave a 'tad' power on the table due to unburnt fuel residing in base of plug , then you have too hot a plug 'may' leave a 'tad' power on the table due to mixure being lit off 'slightly' earlier , pretty 'negligible' which ever way you look at it.
Can you show us PROOF?
I have no argument with you or anyone else , the above statement ARE facts , WHICH PART DON'T YOU BELIEVE?'..........the way i see it is a guy changes plugs out & says it picked up , now were those autolites indexed exactly the same as the NGKs? , probably not as it would be impossible to do without indexing the first set , maybe he got lucky & the autolights just 'happened' to index themselves perfectly when installed (have we proof they were indexed the same?) , some guys claim the NGK picked up over the autolite ....................i'm willing to learn if you can tell me otherwise , legitimate question.
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Re: NGK Plugs ?
[Re: PorkyPig]
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I guess i started a "WAR" , i won't get into this pissing match. As for NGKs for Nitrous, YES, i like them, easy to read. Carry on....
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Re: NGK Plugs ?
[Re: 602heavy]
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03/08/11 06:06 PM
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there are many angles on this,, and i keep hearing that youre wrong from whats guys think... new plugs to new plugs and it makes more hp and idles better.. you just cant grasp that from how you believe a plug functions and its "purpose" you cany comprehend how in actual real life it makes a difference when many totally unrelated people say the same thing,, it does...
now everyone's experiences are their own,, you have to test or try things in your combination to see what works for you
will 6hp show up on a timeslip? all day long,,,, for me thats about .02-.03 and .5mph
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Re: NGK Plugs ?
[Re: mopar dave]
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03/08/11 06:13 PM
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would 6hp improvement show on a time slip?
... you might see a few thousandth but you might think its anything(wind, temp).... but both seen MPH
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