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Re: Edelbrock gets hot [Re: CSSRegistry] #942579
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Update:
I went to the feed store today. It's about 6 miles away. Truck held 180 the whole way.

Before i turned off the truck i used my digital thermometer and the intake below the carb at the choke pocket was 300 degrees. The base of the carb itself was 164. The exhaust manifold was 700+

Went inside and bought some feed for my wife's critters and before i started it up i measure the temps again the intake had cooled to 230 but the base of the carb heated up to 170 to 210 depending on where i measure it.

Drove the truck home and sure enough it would bog when it did not on the way to the feed store. By the time i got home coolant temp was 180 but the base of the carb was still in the 170 to 200 range - it was warmest near the choke pot.

I am going to try the thick spacer first and see what happens.

I plan on taking it on the power tour this year so i will probably pull the intake and block the heat ports. I'm running an electric choke and i live in Florida so i am not too worried about it being cold natured.

Thanks for the pointers everyone - i really appreciate it.

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Re: Edelbrock gets hot [Re: CSSRegistry] #942580
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If you can get away with raising the carb some, maybe try a 1" phenolic spacer. I would think that will help since the boiling point of gasoline is between 100 and 400 degrees Fahrenheit. The spacer should crisp up your throttle response as well as help with torque. Let us know what you end up with.

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I was gonna say the truck intake gasket with the crossover blocked will cause it to be cold natured, and will require a good warm-up in the winter, but you're in Florida so it may not be too bad. Also, be sure to lose the blue pump and get the Carter street pump. FWIW, anytime I've had your problem it always ended up being the radiator wasn't flowing well or a blown head gasket.

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I was gonna say the truck intake gasket with the crossover blocked will cause it to be cold natured, and will require a good warm-up in the winter, but you're in Florida so it may not be too bad. Also, be sure to lose the blue pump and get the Carter street pump. FWIW, anytime I've had your problem it always ended up being the radiator wasn't flowing well or a blown head gasket.




UPDATE - when i installed a valley pan with the crossovers blocked i decided to pull the heads and check the head gaskets. while i was in there i noticed the exhaust valves were slightly recessed in the seats.

i guess the 906's did not have hardened seats... dammit.

i had a pair of 452 heads rebuilt with new springs, keepers, valves - the works.

i also had the radiator flow tested and it showed a 20% blockage (how does one measure that?).

i have it all back together now and it does not appear to exhibit any of the carb boiling with no tendency to bog after it has sat in a parking lot.

it is actually not that bad in terms of cold nature starts (i am running an electric choke).

in spite of a tendency to run hot on the interstate i plan on doing the first three power tour stops. hopefully i'll be able to see some of you on the road.

thanks MOPARTS

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Re: Edelbrock gets hot [Re: CSSRegistry] #942583
05/17/11 12:20 PM
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The exh valves recessed ...or are they sunk ? ... check the face of the valve and the seat itself. If it is "torched" ...you have probs. But many valve jobs are done with a slight recess.

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The exh valves recessed ...or are they sunk ? ... check the face of the valve and the seat itself. If it is "torched" ...you have probs. But many valve jobs are done with a slight recess.




sunk is probably a better term for what i saw... you could easily spin the exhaust valve springs.

that's why i replaced them outright with the 452s.

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EZ spin ...not good. How much HD use or towing did you do?

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truck weighs 4500 pounds - just cruising it on the highway.

i'd like to think it is the crappy alcohol blended fuel, non-hardened seats and no lead additives is what burned up the 906 heads.

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Re: Edelbrock gets hot [Re: CSSRegistry] #942587
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truck weighs 4500 pounds - just cruising it on the highway.

i'd like to think it is the crappy alcohol blended fuel, non-hardened seats and no lead additives is what burned up the 906 heads.




UPDATE -

i think i have figured out the root of my problems. it appears the springs on the mechanical advance in the distributor have stretched out. last time i messed with the timing on the truck i set total advance at 36 degrees with initial being around 8 or 9.

when i went to check total advance last night it had worked itself on up to 42 degrees! i backed it up to 36 total degrees and then idled it down and initial timing is now reading 6 degrees.

does a 30 degree curve seem a bit unreasonable for a fairly stock engine?

anyone know of a good resource to get a rebuild kit for an original dual point distributor converted to pertronix? i think i need to narrow down the distributor curve a bit because it is a bit gutless off the line - we can't have that now!

Thanks MOPARTS!

Ben

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Re: Edelbrock gets hot [Re: CSSRegistry] #942588
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For sure not enough initial & you need that amt finalized (vac gauge method is good) then shorten the slots for 36 total (WO vac hooked up) then play w the springs then hookup the vac adv (if used). Right now your total is good but the slots are too long which is making the initial too low and the curve is too slow and that's what's hurting your performance.


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I had a 440 in my 66 D200 and tried everything with no sucxess until i found out that Edelbrock/AFT don't like more than 5 PSI. I put a regulator on it and the problem disappeared. Take off the cleaner right after you stop and see if there are fumes in the carb. If so, the pump probably has too much pressure.

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I had a 440 in my 66 D200 and tried everything with no sucxess until i found out that Edelbrock/AFT don't like more than 5 PSI. I put a regulator on it and the problem disappeared. Take off the cleaner right after you stop and see if there are fumes in the carb. If so, the pump probably has too much pressure.




Good to know. I have a regulator set to 5.5 PSI right now...


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Re: Edelbrock gets hot [Re: CSSRegistry] #942591
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That's a really sweet truck, like it a lot! FWIW, I'm runnin my E-brock carb regulated at 3.5 psi and have even dailed it down to 1 psi with no leadfooting problems of fuel starving. Good Luck

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For sure not enough initial & you need that amt finalized (vac gauge method is good) then shorten the slots for 36 total (WO vac hooked up) then play w the springs then hookup the vac adv (if used). Right now your total is good but the slots are too long which is making the initial too low and the curve is too slow and that's what's hurting your performance.




This might be a stupid question - how do you shorten the slots?

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That's a really sweet truck, like it a lot! FWIW, I'm runnin my E-brock carb regulated at 3.5 psi and have even dailed it down to 1 psi with no leadfooting problems of fuel starving. Good Luck




Thanks - it is a fun truck!


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Re: Edelbrock gets hot [Re: CSSRegistry] #942594
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I had mine welded, then I attacked it with a routing bit in a dremel and a grinder to smooth the bumps out and to get the desired length.

If I did it again, I'd weld the inside of the slots, so that the springs have a bit of pre-load on them.

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