Re: Anyone run Caltracs? Worth it?
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i'd love to see an 8 or 9 sec ss leaf spring car!! w a 8,9 or even a 10" tire..please show me?
Here you go...
Is that Gene Buells car? If so, it never hit the 9`s............knew him well and did some work on his motor when I worked at Pettis. If not, my bad.
That is not Genes car(one of my old Challengers ), it is Chuck Rayburns(SP?) 440 six pak car, someone else owned and raced it before Chuck bought it. I'm not sure if Chuck still owns it or not,The last thing I heard about Chucks race cars was he had a 410 HP single 4 barrel NASCAR motor Hemi in a 1964 Savoy running in SS/BA Chuck won a NHRA world championship with that blue car.
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Re: Anyone run Caltracs? Worth it?
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All the Cal Trac users that figured out how to make them work will tell you they are great, all the SS spring users that made them work will tell you they are way better than something like Cal Tracs that they haven't treid yet The guys that had SS springs, then Cal Tracs and now ladder bars(installed properly with a good set of rear shocks) will tell you ladder bars are the best they treid Let the fun began
Those are all great points..
All i can say is that i am not all that smart, and with minimal help and real cheap shocks i got a very small tire( 28 by 10 DOT) 9 second car to hook on ice with leafs anwhere.
That said, all the years i have posted on here i think i have read more posts with people not getting a car to hook with cal tracs than anything else. Must be a reason for that, and a lot of those posters have slower ET/ bigger tire type stuff and still have issues If couldnt get a car to work with mopar engineered leafs, i think i would go right past spending the money on caltracs and go ladder or 4 link...
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Re: Anyone run Caltracs? Worth it?
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i'd love to see an 8 or 9 sec ss leaf spring car!! w a 8,9 or even a 10" tire..please show me?
hundreds of people on here saw my 3350 pound Duster run 9's on leafs for years and hook ALWAYS. I had 28 by 10( true 10 inches wide) QTP'S on it, leafs in stock location, and cheap ce 3 ways all around...worked outstanding anywhere, and still does with the new owner, this past year.Plenty of videos on here of it, if they are still around. mighty easy to get an A body with overhang well into the 9's on leafs with real small tires, and be ultra consistant. Its not rocket science...correct pinion angle, rear shock settings,torsion/ride height and some power.
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Re: Anyone run Caltracs? Worth it?
[Re: B3422W5]
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02/28/11 07:22 PM
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ive been 9.6s on a 275/60DR aka 28x9tire on the same setup as B3422W5 but in a 70dart.went to caltrac setup and bigger tire and the only difference is it calmed the car down a bit and little more consistant. ET is basically the same.actually boring now if i wasnt going to spray it i woulda left the SS in!
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Re: Anyone run Caltracs? Worth it?
[Re: theman440]
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i never said they didnt work obivously they will , they question is are they worth it , my answer is still NO!! yes you can get just a set of bars for $500 , and use old worn leafs , or you can do,the full blown mono /shocks , yes they are $1.100 thats what we paid, the diffrence , in our case, money spent does not support what was told we would gain, even over ss springs the car didnt leave any diffrent ,always went straight and really lost in 60 time, that was our outcome , why we dont really know ,the original poster asked if it is worth the money spent , it is my opinon as to our effect. can we see a pickup? not in our case , the ss springs we took off were brand new with only 30 runs on them ,
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Re: Anyone run Caltracs? Worth it?
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02/28/11 08:40 PM
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All the Cal Trac users that figured out how to make them work will tell you they are great, all the SS spring users that made them work will tell you they are way better than something like Cal Tracs...Let the fun began
Just finished reading this entire thread and I have to say you called this one right. Turned into another pee-pee contest, just like you said it would.
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Re: Anyone run Caltracs? Worth it?
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02/28/11 08:50 PM
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they question is are they worth it , my answer is still NO!!
I respectfully disagree with this statement. That being said you cannot bolt a set of Caltracs and mono's on and expect them to word right off the bat. You have to spend time dialing them in. Sometimes that means endless testing to get them right and other times you may hit the "sweet" combo right away. But when you do hit it, you'll know! My 60's before Caltracs were in the 1.50's to high 1.40s. Footbraking with them I had a best of 1.40, and on the Trans brake it goes 1.37 and 1.40 on the rear tires!
The key is to test and dial them in. It could get frustrating at times but the pay off is huge
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Re: Anyone run Caltracs? Worth it?
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i'm going to give them a try this year. currently using ss with rancho's and running 10.55@128 with 3360# car on pump gas sb. best 60 with ss is 1.49. the weight loss from the ss to the mono spring will be worth it.
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Re: Anyone run Caltracs? Worth it?
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i'd love to see an 8 or 9 sec ss leaf spring car!! w a 8,9 or even a 10" tire..please show me?
Here you go...
Is that Gene Buells car? If so, it never hit the 9`s............knew him well and did some work on his motor when I worked at Pettis. If not, my bad.
That is not Genes car(one of my old Challengers ), it is Chuck Rayburns(SP?) 440 six pak car, someone else owned and raced it before Chuck bought it. I'm not sure if Chuck still owns it or not,The last thing I heard about Chucks race cars was he had a 410 HP single 4 barrel NASCAR motor Hemi in a 1964 Savoy running in SS/BA Chuck won a NHRA world championship with that blue car.
Rayburn's blue Challenger is now owned by Glenn Person..440-4bbl former record holder in C/SA. Its now red in color and saw him/it not long ago on Pass Time. The other sub 10sec Challengers on Cal-Tracs belong to David Barton and Fred Hensen..here's Hensons A/SA Hemi Challenger.
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Re: Anyone run Caltracs? Worth it?
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03/01/11 11:22 AM
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Yes the Cal-tracs are worth it.What's not worth it is asking about them on here,LOL
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Re: Anyone run Caltracs? Worth it?
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03/01/11 12:04 PM
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Yes the Cal-tracs are worth it.What's not worth it is asking about them on here,LOL
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Re: Anyone run Caltracs? Worth it?
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how is spending around a $1000 worth it when he will pick up nothing at his level of performance?didnt do barely anything for me running mid-high 9s.the only reason im posting this is so other people dont waste there money when not necessary.
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Re: Anyone run Caltracs? Worth it?
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Re: Anyone run Caltracs? Worth it?
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they question is are they worth it , my answer is still NO!!
I respectfully disagree with this statement. That being said you cannot bolt a set of Caltracs and mono's on and expect them to word right off the bat. You have to spend time dialing them in. Sometimes that means endless testing to get them right and other times you may hit the "sweet" combo right away. But when you do hit it, you'll know! My 60's before Caltracs were in the 1.50's to high 1.40s. Footbraking with them I had a best of 1.40, and on the Trans brake it goes 1.37 and 1.40 on the rear tires!
The key is to test and dial them in. It could get frustrating at times but the pay off is huge
I am going to respectfully disagree with you What you are saying makes sense for the most part but im guessing you have a track in your back yard. I had cal-tracs in my black 64 when I first put it together. Took it to the track, car hooked but results were marginal at best. The price of cal tracs, mono's and afco shocks is almost the same as ladder bar setup and coils. The only price difference is really labor to put it in the ladder bar. We put in a ladder bar, scaled the car and it worked flawlessly on the first hit.
In the end I looked at it as a cost savings. I don't live super close to the track. So a tank of diesel fuel, taking time off work, packing a cooler, paying entry fee etc. every time you go out, test and tunes become expensive. I look at it as two lackluster trips to test just paid for my suspension setup that works.
Anything can be made to work, but is cost effective to try and make it work? The way i see it unless you are in a class that makes you use a constraint (stock suspension classes) why bother with them.
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Re: Anyone run Caltracs? Worth it?
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03/01/11 07:11 PM
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I would say that caltracs have their purpose and that they are not for that guys combo. I would say put ss springs on and a good shock and be done. They would work good for him. There was alot of info given here on springs shocks mono ect. ect. that was way out there and i am biting my tongue from saying anything. i will save that for a different time not now.Jake
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Re: Anyone run Caltracs? Worth it?
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We put in a ladder bar, scaled the car and it worked flawlessly on the first hit.
That's fine and dandy if you never ever want to run a stock suspension class again What's good for one may not be good for the other. I just like the fact that I not restricted to racing a class that requires a certain suspension. DC
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